Opinion of Billy Graham

[Free Speech Enjoyer]

Hopefully a wiki link isn't necessary.

For me, very mixed.  I used to really admire Billy Graham for his acceptance of people of other faiths and even those without any faith.  Then he took a swift turn to the right in 2012 when he met with and endorsed Mitt Romney, even though he'd long denounced the actions of the religious right and refused to join the Moral Majority.

On the other hand, he is also partly responsible for the integration of people of different denominations and racial backgrounds during the Civil Rights Movement in the churches.  So I guess I'll give him an FF vote, though I am significantly at odds with many of his beliefs.

Here is a quote of his that caught my eye a couple days ago:

[Wiggle Your Yummy Moist Preggers Cake Ben Shapiro]

FF, he's a 4th Great Awakening figure. Now we need polls on figures from the 2nd and 3rd.

[DemPGH]

Neutral, slight lean to HP.

I applaud him for staying clear-eyed (he's tried hard to not alienate people) and not going down the bad road to become a prosperity gospel cult type, an angry bigot, a radical right fringy, a doomsday type guru, or packaging it in some other way, but he's ultimately just making money as another performer masquerading as a MAN OF GOD.

[falling apart like the ashes of American flags]

Net HP on balance, but he's pretty far from the worst person of his ilk. It's a little disappointing he basically broke his almost flawless record of not getting in politics at the end.

[Atlas Has Shrugged]

Net HP on balance, but he's pretty far from the worst person of his ilk. It's a little disappointing he basically broke his almost flawless record of not getting in politics at the end.

I felt it was wrong to endorse Romney, but I still think he is a massive freedom fighter on the balance. I disagree with your last sentence; he was very political, and enjoyed a close relationship with Richard Nixon. He may not have made public endorsements, but has dabbled in politics quite often.

[Miles]

FF, even if I don't like some of his beliefs. Its hard to grow up in Charlotte and not like him.

[Joe Biden 2020]

The biggest FF out there.  He's just human, and I can assure you it was very difficult for him to endorse Romney.  However, Barack Obama, while a friend, is fundamentally opposite of Mr. Graham.  He probably should not have endorsed at all, but if that's the worst mistake you make, you're alright!  He speaks the truth unabashed.  He is NOT a money making machine, but rather a genuine hard working, truth preaching gospel preacher.  His crusades were not money making machines, unlike Joel Osteen's prosperity gospel megachurch, and he is one of the few television preachers that have not catered to the "if you send me $500, I'll send you a prayer cloth (aka napkin)." nonsense.  He and Charles Stanley are the only ones I can think of that haven't fallen into that trap.  Furthermore, he will be the first one to tell you he is just human and that the success he enjoyed through his career was not because of anything he's done, but because of everything Jesus Christ His LORD had done through him.  He was just an instrument like every preacher and every Christian in the world.

[Deus Naturae]

Didn't he oppose JFK's presidential candidacy because he was Catholic?

[Free Speech Enjoyer]

Didn't he oppose JFK's presidential candidacy because he was Catholic?

Where did you hear that?

[Deus Naturae]

Didn't he oppose JFK's presidential candidacy because he was Catholic?

Where did you hear that?

I did a google search to make sure that Graham was the guy I was thinking of and I read this on his wikipedia page.

I think I remember a friend also telling me about it once when graham was being discussed, but that friend was a militant atheist so I didn't take it too seriously.

[Free Speech Enjoyer]

Didn't he oppose JFK's presidential candidacy because he was Catholic?

Where did you hear that?

I did a google search to make sure that Graham was the guy I was thinking of and I read this on his wikipedia page.

I think I remember a friend also telling me about it once when graham was being discussed, but that friend was a militant atheist so I didn't take it too seriously.

Ah.  That's too bad.

Well, no one said he's a saint.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Not my cup of tea, though clearly an important and influential figure (and not just in America: played in a major role in various evangelical counter-cultures elsewhere).

[Wiggle Your Yummy Moist Preggers Cake Ben Shapiro]

Not my cup of tea, though clearly an important and influential figure (and not just in America: played in a major role in various evangelical counter-cultures elsewhere).

Not as much as the other 2 4th Great Awakening figures, Pope John Paul II and MLK.

[The Mikado]

Not my cup of tea, though clearly an important and influential figure (and not just in America: played in a major role in various evangelical counter-cultures elsewhere).

Not as much as the other 2 4th Great Awakening figures, Pope John Paul II and MLK.

That's an odd triplet, given that King died in 1968, over a decade before John Paul became Pope.  Billy Graham was already a household name and King was already dead and buried before John Paul appeared on the scene.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Not my cup of tea, though clearly an important and influential figure (and not just in America: played in a major role in various evangelical counter-cultures elsewhere).

Not as much as the other 2 4th Great Awakening figures, Pope John Paul II and MLK.

That's an odd triplet, given that King died in 1968, over a decade before John Paul became Pope.  Billy Graham was already a household name and King was already dead and buried before John Paul appeared on the scene.

I doubt that the 4th American Religious Realignment deserves the Great Awakening label the first three did.  Still, Graham can be see as being part of its beginning, King as part of its middle and JP II at its end.

[Wiggle Your Yummy Moist Preggers Cake Ben Shapiro]

Understandable. A lot of people don't subscribe to a 4th Great Awakening from the 50's to the 80's.

Still, 3 of the most beloved figures in the history of religion. It must be some kind of revival despite each of them coming from many years apart.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I explicitly wrote 'evangelical counter-culture'. Allow me to emphasise the second part: counter-culture.

[Tetro Kornbluth]

Wait, people are talking The Pope in the context of a 'great awakening'...?

I think that clenches it. Denominationalism is surely dead.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Are tambourines even legal in the Vatican?

[All Along The Watchtower]

Wait, people are talking The Pope in the context of a 'great awakening'...?

I think that clenches it. Denominationalism is surely dead.

BRTD is the future of religion.

[DC Al Fine]

Wait, people are talking The Pope in the context of a 'great awakening'...?

I think that clenches it. Denominationalism is surely dead.

BRTD is the future of religion.

People like BRTD don't breed at the level people like me or TJ or Cathcon do

[Wiggle Your Yummy Moist Preggers Cake Ben Shapiro]

Wait, people are talking The Pope in the context of a 'great awakening'...?

I think that clenches it. Denominationalism is surely dead.

It's kind of what modern Popes are fighting for.

[7,052,770]

Are tambourines even legal in the Vatican?

Of course, but jumping, rolling, crying, waving your arms like a crazy person, and nonsense mouthvomit are not.

[Free Speech Enjoyer]

Are tambourines even legal in the Vatican?

Of course, but jumping, rolling, crying, waving your arms like a crazy person, and nonsense mouthvomit are not.

See, this is why I could never become a Catholic.  You guys don't know how to church properly.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Wait, people are talking The Pope in the context of a 'great awakening'...?

I think that clenches it. Denominationalism is surely dead.

It's kind of what modern Popes are fighting for.

Shut up.