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« Reply #4375 on: November 01, 2018, 05:27:04 am »

I prefer AKK to take over the CDU, because she's really likeable IMO.

Spahn and Merz seem too conservative and too radical on certain issues for my taste.

I agree with you. But let's be real: Merz will succeed Mutti.
I read that there are three minor, obscure candidates that wanted to challenge Merkel even before her announcement, but I can't find out who the are. Do you know more?
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« Reply #4376 on: November 01, 2018, 05:29:34 am »

I prefer AKK to take over the CDU, because she's really likeable IMO.

Spahn and Merz seem too conservative and too radical on certain issues for my taste.

I agree with you. But let's be real: Merz will succeed Mutti.
I read that there are three minor, obscure candidates that wanted to challenge Merkel even before her announcement, but I can't find out who the are. Do you know more?

Why would or should I want to know more about 3 obscure candidates ?

It's not like they are getting more than 0.1% of the delegates ... Tongue
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« Reply #4377 on: November 01, 2018, 05:49:02 am »

I prefer AKK to take over the CDU, because she's really likeable IMO.

Spahn and Merz seem too conservative and too radical on certain issues for my taste.

I agree with you. But let's be real: Merz will succeed Mutti.
I read that there are three minor, obscure candidates that wanted to challenge Merkel even before her announcement, but I can't find out who the are. Do you know more?

One of the minor candidates is Andreas Ritzenhoff, a businessman who joined the CDU less than a year ago. The second candidate is a law student from Berlin, but I don't remember his name. I know nothing about the third candidate.
I guess these candidates could've gotten up to 20% against Merkel. With three major candidates they're obviously irrelevant now.
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« Reply #4378 on: November 01, 2018, 05:49:37 am »

I prefer AKK to take over the CDU, because she's really likeable IMO.

Spahn and Merz seem too conservative and too radical on certain issues for my taste.

I agree with you. But let's be real: Merz will succeed Mutti.
I read that there are three minor, obscure candidates that wanted to challenge Merkel even before her announcement, but I can't find out who the are. Do you know more?

Why would or should I want to know more about 3 obscure candidates ?

It's not like they are getting more than 0.1% of the delegates ... Tongue

I think they are gonna drop out of the race in time. Do you still remember the four obscure candidates that decided to challenge Nahles earlier this year, only one of whom eventually competed against her: Simone Lange, who received decent 27.6%?
My favorite, Triple D - vocational school teacher Dirk Diedrich from Dithmarschen -, had dropped out way too early. Cry

Once all candidates have officially announced their candidacies, I'm gonna make a poll about Merkel's succession as party leader.

One of the minor candidates is Andreas Ritzenhoff, a businessman who joined the CDU less than a year ago. The second candidate is a law student from Berlin, but I don't remember his name. I know nothing about the third candidate.
I guess these candidates could've gotten up to 20% against Merkel. With three major candidates they're obviously irrelevant now.

Thanks! 👍🏻
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« Reply #4379 on: November 01, 2018, 05:56:57 am »

I prefer AKK to take over the CDU, because she's really likeable IMO.

Spahn and Merz seem too conservative and too radical on certain issues for my taste.

She's against gay marriage - that's not so likeable IMO :-P
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« Reply #4380 on: November 01, 2018, 06:03:00 am »
« Edited: November 01, 2018, 06:38:56 am by Ἅιδης »

One of the minor candidates is Andreas Ritzenhoff, a businessman who joined the CDU less than a year ago.

I just read an interview with him.

Ritzhoff (61) is a passionate proponent of the foundation of the "United States of Europe". He won't win. One of the reasons for his compassion for the EU is that he wants to fight against China's role in the world economy and the buyout of Germany companies by Chinese state-owned enterprises.
Furthermore, he speaks for more climate protection, more clean energy, more animal welfare and moreover for establishing primaries for electing party officials.
His occupation is leading a medium-sized Marburg company called Seidel GmbH & Co. KG, which is the world market leader in manufacturing aluminum design products.

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« Reply #4381 on: November 01, 2018, 06:16:58 am »
« Edited: November 01, 2018, 06:39:21 am by Ἅιδης »

The second candidate is a law student from Berlin, but I don't remember his name. I know nothing about the third candidate.

His name is Jan-Philipp Knoop. The 26-year-old is known for being a harsh critic of Merkel's asylum policy, wanting to "get the situation under control again". His highest "office" in the CDU was "social media representative" in the Berlin chapter of Kleistpark.



He will definitely get more votes than Ritzenhoff.
I swear I heard on the political TV broadcaster Phoenix that there was also a third candidate, but I can't find anything about him, either. 😕
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« Reply #4382 on: November 01, 2018, 06:36:50 am »

The second candidate is a law student from Berlin, but I don't remember his name. I know nothing about the third candidate.

His name is Jan-Philipp Knoop. The 26-year-old is known for being a harsh critic of Merkel's asylum policy, wanting to "get the situation under control again". His highest "office" in the CDU was "social media representative" in the Berlin chapter of Kleistpark.



He will definitely get more votes than RItzenhoff.
I swear I heard on the political TV broadcaster Phoenix that there was also a third candidate, but I can't find anything about him, either. 😕

Found him, it's Matthias Herdegen.
I'm not sure if any of these candidates will get any votes at all, especially if it's a close race. Why would anyone waste their vote on these guys?
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« Reply #4383 on: November 01, 2018, 06:56:35 am »

Found him, it's Matthias Herdegen.
I'm not sure if any of these candidates will get any votes at all, especially if it's a close race. Why would anyone waste their vote on these guys?

Good job!
Herdegen (also 61) is a professor of international law from Bonn. However, he doesn't seem to have a specific agenda whatsoever.



Regardless of their political views, isn't the set of minor candidates composed of an accomplished, varied mixture of different properties?
There is a middle-class entrepreneur, a university student, and a professor; a left-wing candidate who sounds like Merkel, a right-wing candidate who sounds like the AfD, and a theoretician who doesn't sound like anything; someone from very liberal Marburg, someone from Berlin and someone from very conservative Bonn. I'm curious to know which of the three candidates will win the most votes in the first round.
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« Reply #4384 on: November 01, 2018, 07:04:25 am »

I'm not sure if any of these candidates will get any votes at all, especially if it's a close race. Why would anyone waste their vote on these guys?

As there will be a runoff if no candidate receives a majority in the first round, I can imagine that some of the delegates will want to give "the party establishment™" a warning, since all three minor candidates explain their decision to run by being an alternative to the present party leadership.
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« Reply #4385 on: November 01, 2018, 08:10:27 am »

What would be examples of policy areas where the Greens and the SPD actually differ?
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« Reply #4386 on: November 01, 2018, 08:19:49 am »

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Good job!
Herdegen (also 61) is a professor of international law from Bonn. However, he doesn't seem to have a specific agenda whatsoever.
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Regarding the UN compact on migration Herdegen is rather critical.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article183078096/UN-Migrationspakt-Unterzeichnerstaaten-schaffen-damit-Erwartungen-bei-Migrationswilligen.html

'The Bonn-based international law professor Matthias Herdegen warns against the associated "gray area of ​​legal non-commitment, that still gives the impression of liability." Signatory states "thus create expectations among those willing to migrate" without, however, building on "reliable structures", according to the scientist who recently announced his candidacy for the CDU chairmanship in an interview with WELT.'

Herdegen is rather conservative, he is for control and restriction of immigration, for lower taxes, against quantitative easing in the Eurozone, for an active role of Germany in the NATO and for a CDU/CSU minority government.
https://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/kandidat-fuer-cdu-vorsitz-ein-professor-will-es-wagen-merkel-herausforderer-matthias-herdegen_id_9798483.html
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« Reply #4387 on: November 01, 2018, 08:38:38 am »

Regarding the UN compact on migration Herdegen is rather critical.
https://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article183078096/UN-Migrationspakt-Unterzeichnerstaaten-schaffen-damit-Erwartungen-bei-Migrationswilligen.html

'The Bonn-based international law professor Matthias Herdegen warns against the associated "gray area of ​​legal non-commitment, that still gives the impression of liability." Signatory states "thus create expectations among those willing to migrate" without, however, building on "reliable structures", according to the scientist who recently announced his candidacy for the CDU chairmanship in an interview with WELT.'

Herdegen is rather conservative, he is for control and restriction of immigration, for lower taxes, against quantitative easing in the Eurozone, for an active role of Germany in the NATO and for a CDU/CSU minority government.
https://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/kandidat-fuer-cdu-vorsitz-ein-professor-will-es-wagen-merkel-herausforderer-matthias-herdegen_id_9798483.html

He sounds like Spahn and Merz combined in one person.
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« Reply #4388 on: November 01, 2018, 09:34:51 am »

ENDORSEMENT TIME!!!
There are seven official subsidiary organizations within the CDU/CSU:

Women's Union (FU; 155,000 members)
Young Union (JU; CDU/CSU's joint youth organization; 110,000 members; very powerful)
Seniors' Union (SU; 54,000 members)
Middle-Class and Trade Association (MIT; 30,000 members; very powerful)
Christian Democratic Employees' Association (CDA; many members)
East and Middle German Association (OMV)
Local-politics Association (KPV)

The Women's Union is the only sub-organization that has already committed itself. Guess to whom.
AKK also got the endorsement of the CDU Saarland state sub-organizations JU, FU, CDA and MIT.
The Seniors' Union is reported to endorse AKK, too.

There are some smaller CDU associations like the archconservative such as the "Values Union" or the "Berlin Circle" and the neoliberal Economic Advisory Council, all of which support Merz's candidacy.

Source.
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« Reply #4389 on: November 01, 2018, 12:11:22 pm »

I hope that Friedrich Merz is going to win. The CDU needs to move to the right to absorb AfD voters and leave more room at the center for the SPD to rebound and show a sharper difference between the two parties. AKK is just a continuation of Merkel while Spahn is an empty suit and showboat.
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« Reply #4390 on: November 01, 2018, 02:47:47 pm »

I hope that Friedrich Merz is going to win. The CDU needs to move to the right to absorb AfD voters and leave more room at the center for the SPD to rebound and show a sharper difference between the two parties. AKK is just a continuation of Merkel while Spahn is an empty suit and showboat.

Well the Union's current trend is a combination of Dominate the Center, Kill the SPD. Electorally the union is fine if they remain 10% higher then any other party - they have to be in government. I guess what I'm saying is I'm for AKK.
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« Reply #4391 on: November 01, 2018, 04:39:35 pm »

I don't think, that "the CDU has to elect Merz and move to the right" will help the political system that much. At the end, someone has to govern together with someone. And CDU/CSU won't govern with the AfD (at least this time, and the "transatlantician", pro-EU, transnational company lobbyist isn't the one to to that, either - as is the gay overambitious "ultraconservative").

On a side note, I think, a Merz-CDU would take more from the FDP actually. At least I can't see AfD voters in the east, of whom most would want a stronger welfare state (but for whites only) and are more "Russia-understanding" will be swayed by Friedrich Merz.
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« Reply #4392 on: November 02, 2018, 03:17:22 am »

On a side note, I think, a Merz-CDU would take more from the FDP actually. At least I can't see AfD voters in the east, of whom most would want a stronger welfare state (but for whites only) and are more "Russia-understanding" will be swayed by Friedrich Merz.

Plus, Merz lambasted Roland Tichy for his political closeness to the AfD, which is why he rejected the Ludwig Erhard Prize earlier this year.
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« Reply #4393 on: November 03, 2018, 03:12:08 pm »

New Forsa poll:

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« Reply #4394 on: November 03, 2018, 08:47:58 pm »

I'll be really interested to see where the Green ceiling is.
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