What is it that the American people want?

[Hatman 🍁]

You guys don't expect Naso to return with any thing of substance to this thread do you?

He never does. He makes a garbage OP and people make fun of it, and he doesn't come back again.

[angus]

They want Obamacare.  Yes, the name has been successfully poisoned, but the constituent pieces always poll well.

Indeed.  Obamacare always does better when it has a different name.

Sadly, it's polls like this that make me question what kind of value policy polls have at all.

affordable+care+act.  what's not to like?

Good marketing strategies is what it's all about.  Obama has his own Karl Rove.  I don't like Bush or Obama, but I've voted for each of them at one time or another.  Along with most Americans, as it turns out.  

I was milling about in Cancun one night a few years ago and this spanglish-speaking norteño barker approached me with a handful of coupons, "hay, mang.  Take one.  Which one do you want?  I know that you gringos will eat a steaming bowl full of shit so long as someone gives it to you for 20% off, and names it appropriately."  I guess he pegged me for one of those gringos with an irreverent sense of humor.  

Anyway, you're right and Shakespeare was wrong.  Very much is in a name.  (To be fair, Shakespeare never had a chance to meet any gringos because they didn't yet exist in his time.)

[Reaganfan]

You guys don't expect Naso to return with any thing of substance to this thread do you?

He never does. He makes a garbage OP and people make fun of it, and he doesn't come back again.

Actually, I had to work. Jeez you guys sure are negative.

This forum has really gotten under my skin lately. Y'all have your three more years, Obama will retire, he'll get his damn library in what's left of Chicago, and be on "African American History Month" books next to Oprah and Harriet Tubman.

NEXT.

[Ban my account ffs!]

You guys don't expect Naso to return with any thing of substance to this thread do you?

He never does. He makes a garbage OP and people make fun of it, and he doesn't come back again.

Actually, I had to work. Jeez you guys sure are negative.

This forum has really gotten under my skin lately. Y'all have your three more years, Obama will retire, he'll get his damn library in what's left of Chicago, and be on "African American History Month" books next to Oprah and Harriet Tubman.

NEXT.

lol

[minionofmidas]

You guys don't expect Naso to return with any thing of substance to this thread do you?

He never does. He makes a garbage OP and people make fun of it, and he doesn't come back again.

Actually, I had to work. Jeez you guys sure are negative.

This forum has really gotten under my skin lately. Y'all have your three more years, Obama will retire, he'll get his damn library in what's left of Chicago, and be on "African American History Month" books next to Oprah and Harriet Tubman.

NEXT.

lol

Well, he's right. NEXT BLACK PRESIDENT.

Judging by the internet, Pornography. Lots and Lots of Pornography.

Not as dumb as they look, is that your verdict then?

[opebo]

Judging by the internet, Pornography. Lots and Lots of Pornography. Why do you ask?

In fact they want sex with attractive well shaped healthy young women of late teens to very early twenties in age.  But, alas, the society is a sick and malformed one so this is unavailable to most.  Thus, they want the only substitute: pornography.

[memphis]

I don't like Bush or Obama, but I've voted for each of them at one time or another.  Along with most Americans, as it turns out.  

Factually incorrect. Large numbers of Americans are ineligible to vote or were in 2004. Of those at least 27 years of age, about half don't vote reliably in presidential contests. And of the minority of Americans who do vote reliably, the overwhelming majority are reliable partisan voters. At most, 20% of the voters are even willing to consider voting for the candidate from both parties. You're in a very small minority, angus. All those red and blue maps drawn to geographic scale are deceptive. County cartograms with shades of purple are much more demonstrative of reality.
2004

2008

[angus]

I don't like Bush or Obama, but I've voted for each of them at one time or another.  Along with most Americans, as it turns out.  

Factually incorrect.

Ha.  I figured someone would take an interpretation of the statement and show that it was demonstrably false.  Sure, you can spin it that way, but I spun it much more simply.  A majority of voters voted for Obama in 2008, and I was among them.  A majority supported Bush in 2004, and I was among them.  So, taken collectively, "they" voted for Bush in '04 and "they" voted for Obama in '08.  I have that in common with "them."  It's a subtle quibble, and I don't want to distract from the point of naso's fine thread with it.  I do take your point as well.  Certainly many are not eligible to vote, and even then only a small percentage of the eligible voting population bothers to choose its elected officials, and even then they just go with Pepsi or Coke, depending upon how their parents have instructed them, so who can say for sure what they really want?

[minionofmidas]

A majority of the American CVAP voted for at least one of these two people at least once.

[anvi]

I love those electoral vote scale maps.  They make the United States look like some galloping monster, and the one of 2004 makes it look like there is something in the monster's mouth.  That's as good a representation of what the American people want as any.