MI: EPIC/MRA: Snyder with 8-point lead

[Tender Branson]

Merged the thread with the original post from September.

[pbrower2a]

Oh, I just checked. I accidentally confused them with those 2 other pollsters (Mitchell Research and Baydoun/Foster) which were even worse than EPIC-MRA. But EPIC-MRA is still awful.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/mi/michigan_romney_vs_obama-1811.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/senate/mi/michigan_senate_hoekstra_vs_stabenow-1817.html

If you believe Hoekstra was ever within 2 points of Stabenow and Romney was ever leading in Michigan, I have a bridge to sell you.

PPP (D)   12/3 - 12/6   1224 RV   45   44   Stabenow +1

There were a few other pollsters, including EPIC, showing the race within 2 points:

Mitchell Research   8/23 - 8/23   1277 LV   44   45   Hoekstra +1
Baydoun/Foster (D)   8/16 - 8/16   1733 LV   46   48   Hoekstra +2
EPIC-MRA   2/12 - 2/17   600 LV   44   42   Stabenow +2

I can't imagine why you chose to single out PPP and ignore the others...

The PPP poll showing Hoekstra and Stabenow nearly even was before the infamous Super Bowl ad with the young 'Chinese' woman riding a bicycle in a rice paddy and thanking "Debbie Spend-It-Now" in broken English for making her country rich.

http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=ytff1-yff40&p=hoekstra%20super%20bowl%20ad&type=

The Hoekstra campaign collapsed ten months before the election because of that ad.  I doubt that we will see anything like that in political advertising for a long time.

[krazen1211]

Oh, I just checked. I accidentally confused them with those 2 other pollsters (Mitchell Research and Baydoun/Foster) which were even worse than EPIC-MRA. But EPIC-MRA is still awful.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/mi/michigan_romney_vs_obama-1811.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/senate/mi/michigan_senate_hoekstra_vs_stabenow-1817.html

If you believe Hoekstra was ever within 2 points of Stabenow and Romney was ever leading in Michigan, I have a bridge to sell you.

PPP (D)   12/3 - 12/6   1224 RV   45   44   Stabenow +1

There were a few other pollsters, including EPIC, showing the race within 2 points:

Mitchell Research   8/23 - 8/23   1277 LV   44   45   Hoekstra +1
Baydoun/Foster (D)   8/16 - 8/16   1733 LV   46   48   Hoekstra +2
EPIC-MRA   2/12 - 2/17   600 LV   44   42   Stabenow +2

I can't imagine why you chose to single out PPP and ignore the others...

The prior poster, if you bothered to read his words, described 3 pollsters as 'awful'.

1. Mitchell Research
2. Baydoun/Foster
3. EPIC-MRA


What's missing from the list, and why was it not described also as 'awful'?

[TJ in Oregon]

With this, I'd probably move the race from Lean D to Toss-up. EPIC/MRA is a terrible pollster, but 8 points is still an awful lot.