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  HHH/RFK in 68 (search mode)
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barfbag
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« on: September 02, 2013, 09:31:32 pm »

I think they'd only pick up IL and possibly NJ.
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« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2013, 03:13:21 pm »

From what I've gathered, they didn't get along well.
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« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2013, 05:02:03 pm »

From what I've gathered, they didn't get along well.

I could see them working together though for the good of the party. Both RFK and HHH were massive heroes when it came to civil rights.

They could but it's hard to say. Normally a running mate is someone the candidate enjoys seeing everyday. Humphrey and John F. Kennedy would've been a good pair.
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2013, 08:14:32 pm »

I actually did this map without reading the part where Kennedy lives.
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barfbag
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« Reply #4 on: September 15, 2013, 06:52:33 pm »

I actually did this map without reading the part where Kennedy lives.

Meaning JFK dies, LBJ becomes President, and does a way worse job than JFK, thus advantage Republicans. Since your map didn't consider JFK living and thus subscribed to the scenario I laid out, your map leans way more Republican than the thread demands due to what you missed and is thus totally irrelevant. Right?

Geez why don't you like me?
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barfbag
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« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2013, 08:35:39 pm »

I actually did this map without reading the part where Kennedy lives.

Meaning JFK dies, LBJ becomes President, and does a way worse job than JFK, thus advantage Republicans. Since your map didn't consider JFK living and thus subscribed to the scenario I laid out, your map leans way more Republican than the thread demands due to what you missed and is thus totally irrelevant. Right?

Geez why don't you like me?

Many reasons, but that has nothing to do with this post. All I meant was that HHH/RFK would have been a way less popular ticket in 68 with JFK dead and LBJ President than if JFK was a popular outgoing President. So if you missed the part that JFK is alive, your map is probably not what it would be had you read that JFK is alive, right?



Wallace is still in the race?
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barfbag
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2013, 10:42:16 am »

An HHH/RFK ticket in 1968 presents a fundamental problem. You have Hubert Humphrey supporting the Vietnam War policies of LBJ, his boss, and Robert Kennedy, who is bitterly opposed to the war.  Which one is going to change their position?

With Humphrey being the one more likely to switch positions, you would have the Democratic Presidential Candidate opposing the sitting Democratic President's foreign policy.  This would almost force Humphrey to resign the Vice Presidency.  How could the sitting Vice President break with and defy the President, the man who chose him and then handed him the nomination?  This, along with LBJ's intense personal dislike for Robert Kennedy, would have him opposing HHH, his former running mate, and  either urging the Democratic Party organization to sit on its hands, or worse, work against HHH/RFK.

Nixon still wins, and carries Texas.  By the way, just because Kennedy won the California Democratic Primary in 1968, in which Humphrey did not run, doesn't mean he will carry the state in November.  Nixon was from California and Ronald  Reagan was a very popular governor at the time.  California was a much more conservative state in the 1968.  Watch "Dragnet" for example.

With Kennedy living we may not have had the escalation of Vietnam to the point we did with Johnson.
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barfbag
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2013, 03:10:55 am »

JFK had escalted Vietnam as LBJ did, as JFK was the one who actually begun on the American involvement.

However, a HHH/RFK ticket would have been possible. HHH wanted the end the war in 1968, we might have been out there sooner with him. And in domestic terms, both were liberals and would continue and expand the Great Society programs.

Vietnam still would've gone better if Kennedy lived on.
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