Was the Romney campaign the worst ever?

[barfbag]

Basically, since losing in 2006, the GOP has written the 47 percent crowd off. Dems have had new members of congress especially members like McCaskill, heidikempt and Warren to help assist in holding the Obama multiracial coalition. With Hillary against Christie it will be the same.

None of what you're saying is true. Also, both parties have had many new members of congress. Look at 2010. 47% of this country is able to write off paying taxes because they aren't required to by law. We could talk about that too, but it's off topic. Also, Romney ran a better campaign than George McGovern.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Basically, since losing in 2006, the GOP has written the 47 percent crowd off. Dems have had new members of congress especially members like McCaskill, heidikempt and Warren to help assist in holding the Obama multiracial coalition. With Hillary against Christie it will be the same.

None of what you're saying is true. Also, both parties have had many new members of congress. Look at 2010. 47% of this country is able to write off paying taxes because they aren't required to by law. We could talk about that too, but it's off topic. Also, Romney ran a better campaign than George McGovern.

The minimum skilled workers, received no raise in the minimum wage, they desperately need which includes women due the GOP opposition in the tax reform act to the payroll tax holiday expiring which raised the social security tax everyone pays.

[barfbag]

Basically, since losing in 2006, the GOP has written the 47 percent crowd off. Dems have had new members of congress especially members like McCaskill, heidikempt and Warren to help assist in holding the Obama multiracial coalition. With Hillary against Christie it will be the same.

None of what you're saying is true. Also, both parties have had many new members of congress. Look at 2010. 47% of this country is able to write off paying taxes because they aren't required to by law. We could talk about that too, but it's off topic. Also, Romney ran a better campaign than George McGovern.

The minimum skilled workers, received no raise in the minimum wage, they desperately need which includes women due the GOP opposition in the tax reform act to the payroll tax holiday expiring which raised the social security tax everyone pays.

So should everyone pay taxes? No one is writing off 47% either.

[hopper]

I'd say Romney's campaign was about equal to Kerry's in performance maybe a little worse. Since given the dynamics the GOP was facing in 2012 they should have by all means defeated Obama.

I like the Romney-Kerry comparison, in that each were the best, yet flawed candidates in mediocre fields who ran mediocre campaigns against two campaign machines in Bush and Obama.

Popular vote % wise Bush W.-Kerry(51-48%) and Obama-Romney(51-47%) were about even. Electoral Vote wise Kerry lost by a thinner margin to Bush W.(286-251) than Romney did(332-206) to Obama. The Kerry Team did run a better campaign than the Romney team did when you compare the Electoral Vote Comparison between the 2 campaigns.

The respective campaigns of McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Dole, and McCain were even worse than the Romney campaign when even comparing both Popular Vote and Electoral Vote Margin of  losses.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Lolno.

[Mechaman]

Lolno.

This.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Considering he didn't exceed expectations it wasn't he was expected to lose but to GOP he was suppose to win.

[barfbag]

Considering he didn't exceed expectations it wasn't he was expected to lose but to GOP he was suppose to win.

What are you saying? He wasn't expected to lose?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Considering he didn't exceed expectations it wasn't he was expected to lose but to GOP he was suppose to win.

What are you saying? He wasn't expected to lose?

2011 was when Obama's approval was below 50 percent. By the fall 2012, just like in the case for dubya, Obama had approvals at 50 in time where most inc win reelection. And plus the economy was below 8 percent unemployment and capture of Bin Laden increased his approvals too.

[barfbag]

Considering he didn't exceed expectations it wasn't he was expected to lose but to GOP he was suppose to win.

What are you saying? He wasn't expected to lose?

2011 was when Obama's approval was below 50 percent. By the fall 2012, just like in the case for dubya, Obama had approvals at 50 in time where most inc win reelection. And plus the economy was below 8 percent unemployment and capture of Bin Laden increased his approvals too.

Yes but 8% unemployment is severely high still. The last week of the campaign is what won Obama re-election. His approvals were right at the border line.

[Yank2133]

Considering he didn't exceed expectations it wasn't he was expected to lose but to GOP he was suppose to win.

What are you saying? He wasn't expected to lose?

2011 was when Obama's approval was below 50 percent. By the fall 2012, just like in the case for dubya, Obama had approvals at 50 in time where most inc win reelection. And plus the economy was below 8 percent unemployment and capture of Bin Laden increased his approvals too.

Yes but 8% unemployment is severely high still. The last week of the campaign is what won Obama re-election. His approvals were right at the border line.

BS

Romney never led at any point of the campaign. Obama was always going to win, the question was by how much.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

He could have won, but Jon Huntsman was the model he should have followed. And he was defeated already in primary.

[barfbag]

Considering he didn't exceed expectations it wasn't he was expected to lose but to GOP he was suppose to win.

What are you saying? He wasn't expected to lose?

2011 was when Obama's approval was below 50 percent. By the fall 2012, just like in the case for dubya, Obama had approvals at 50 in time where most inc win reelection. And plus the economy was below 8 percent unemployment and capture of Bin Laden increased his approvals too.

Yes but 8% unemployment is severely high still. The last week of the campaign is what won Obama re-election. His approvals were right at the border line.

BS

Romney never led at any point of the campaign. Obama was always going to win, the question was by how much.

You must not have watched the first debate or seen the polling that followed. Please leave this conversation for the adults.

[Lief 🗽]

Considering he didn't exceed expectations it wasn't he was expected to lose but to GOP he was suppose to win.

What are you saying? He wasn't expected to lose?

2011 was when Obama's approval was below 50 percent. By the fall 2012, just like in the case for dubya, Obama had approvals at 50 in time where most inc win reelection. And plus the economy was below 8 percent unemployment and capture of Bin Laden increased his approvals too.

Yes but 8% unemployment is severely high still. The last week of the campaign is what won Obama re-election. His approvals were right at the border line.

BS

Romney never led at any point of the campaign. Obama was always going to win, the question was by how much.

You must not have watched the first debate or seen the polling that followed. Please leave this conversation for the adults.

Romney never led in the electoral college. At any point. He led in the popular vote polls after the debate, because of sh[inks] Gallup and Rasmussen polling which turned out to be completely wrong.

[Yank2133]

Considering he didn't exceed expectations it wasn't he was expected to lose but to GOP he was suppose to win.

What are you saying? He wasn't expected to lose?

2011 was when Obama's approval was below 50 percent. By the fall 2012, just like in the case for dubya, Obama had approvals at 50 in time where most inc win reelection. And plus the economy was below 8 percent unemployment and capture of Bin Laden increased his approvals too.

Yes but 8% unemployment is severely high still. The last week of the campaign is what won Obama re-election. His approvals were right at the border line.

BS

Romney never led at any point of the campaign. Obama was always going to win, the question was by how much.

You must not have watched the first debate or seen the polling that followed. Please leave this conversation for the adults.

He never led when it came to the electoral college, you know the thing that determines who becomes President. Obama had always been ahead, it may not have been a massive lead.....but he always had a 2-3 point advantage over Mitt throughout race.

The only time the President was endanger was the fall of 2011, he was never endanger of losing at all in 2012, even with the first debate debacle.

[barfbag]

Considering he didn't exceed expectations it wasn't he was expected to lose but to GOP he was suppose to win.

What are you saying? He wasn't expected to lose?

2011 was when Obama's approval was below 50 percent. By the fall 2012, just like in the case for dubya, Obama had approvals at 50 in time where most inc win reelection. And plus the economy was below 8 percent unemployment and capture of Bin Laden increased his approvals too.

Yes but 8% unemployment is severely high still. The last week of the campaign is what won Obama re-election. His approvals were right at the border line.

BS

Romney never led at any point of the campaign. Obama was always going to win, the question was by how much.

You must not have watched the first debate or seen the polling that followed. Please leave this conversation for the adults.

He never led when it came to the electoral college, you know the thing that determines who becomes President. Obama had always been ahead, it may not have been a massive lead.....but he always had a 2-3 point advantage over Mitt throughout race.

The only time the President was endanger was the fall of 2011, he was never endanger of losing at all in 2012, even with the first debate debacle.

He was in danger of losing. Michael Barone who never missed a state until the last election had Romney at 315. The only poll that matters is Election Day.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

Considering he didn't exceed expectations it wasn't he was expected to lose but to GOP he was suppose to win.

What are you saying? He wasn't expected to lose?

2011 was when Obama's approval was below 50 percent. By the fall 2012, just like in the case for dubya, Obama had approvals at 50 in time where most inc win reelection. And plus the economy was below 8 percent unemployment and capture of Bin Laden increased his approvals too.

Yes but 8% unemployment is severely high still. The last week of the campaign is what won Obama re-election. His approvals were right at the border line.

BS

Romney never led at any point of the campaign. Obama was always going to win, the question was by how much.

You must not have watched the first debate or seen the polling that followed. Please leave this conversation for the adults.

He never led when it came to the electoral college, you know the thing that determines who becomes President. Obama had always been ahead, it may not have been a massive lead.....but he always had a 2-3 point advantage over Mitt throughout race.

The only time the President was endanger was the fall of 2011, he was never endanger of losing at all in 2012, even with the first debate debacle.

He was in danger of losing. Michael Barone who never missed a state until the last election had Romney at 315. The only poll that matters is Election Day.

No. Go run a lap.

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He was up 10 points in the Summer of 1988.

I try to keep these discussions in the post WW II era. So 1948-2012.

Well, since you mention 1948.......

[barfbag]

He was up 10 points in the Summer of 1988.

I try to keep these discussions in the post WW II era. So 1948-2012.

Well, since you mention 1948.......

Mondale and Dukakis were up by a decent amount in the summers of 1984 and 1988.

[tmthforu94]

I don't think Republicans had much of a chance to begin with, and I think Romney did far better than any of the other GOP candidates would have done. So no. A lot of what affected Romney was also due to outside forces, specifically Rick Santorum prolonging the primary and then him and Gingrich refusing to campaign for Governor. That could have gone a long way in getting more dissatisfied conservatives to vote.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

When Romney called Gingrich a liberal for endorsing Climate change with then Speaker Pelosi, on couch, that effectively ended his campaign. Allowed Gingrich to define him from the left on Bain Capital, and freed Gingrich from courting conservatives for Romney in general.

Gingrich and George Will are conservatives, no doubt. But both of them look at Dems, as nonpartisan lenses. Just like Will complimented Hillary on finding 28 electors to beat Christie. Referring to the fact, Dems feared Guiliani more so than Chris Christie. And he is no Rudolph Guiliani.

[Mehmentum]

It was a very poor campaign, but not the worst presidential campaign by a major party candidate, even.

The Courier-Journal said this about Truman's opponent, Thomas Dewey.
"No presidential candidate in the future will be so inept that four of his major speeches can be boiled down to these historic four sentences: Agriculture is important. Our rivers are full of fish. You cannot have freedom without liberty. Our future lies ahead."

Dewey lost despite a 3 way split in the Democratic party and poor approval ratings.  It makes Romney look competent in comparison.

[barfbag]

When Romney called Gingrich a liberal for endorsing Climate change with then Speaker Pelosi, on couch, that effectively ended his campaign. Allowed Gingrich to define him from the left on Bain Capital, and freed Gingrich from courting conservatives for Romney in general.

Gingrich and George Will are conservatives, no doubt. But both of them look at Dems, as nonpartisan lenses. Just like Will complimented Hillary on finding 28 electors to beat Christie. Referring to the fact, Dems feared Guiliani more so than Chris Christie. And he is no Rudolph Guiliani.

We're all smart enough to take Romney's words with a grain of salt regarding Gingrich. Haven't we all heard such rhetoric in the primaries of both parties? Is Romney really the first? Don't you think this happens somewhat regularly in the primaries?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

But Gingrich was especially sensitive on this subject, because tea party supporters said he helped raise fees or taxes to end the govt shutdown with Clinton along with tax increaser with then Maj Leader Dole.

[I Will Not Be Wrong]

No, but he was the worst candidate. As someone who has many Hispanics in my family, I am very hurt he mentioned self deportation.