OH-PPP: Clinton leads Bush, Christie, Kasich, Paul, and Ryan

[Mr. Morden]

PPP poll of Ohio:

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/08/ohioans-skeptical-about-kasich-2016-and-more.html

Clinton 50%
Bush 36%

Clinton 45%
Christie 36%

Clinton 53%
Kasich 35%

Clinton 51%
Paul 36%

Clinton 52%
Ryan 36%

[Tender Branson]

Dominating.

[Lief 🗽]

Ohio = Safe D.

[barfbag]

Ohio = Safe D.

Yep Ohio is always right about where the national average is, but this time we just don't even have to have an election. It's three years before the election and we can safely say it's going one way or the other. What a genius.

[Eraserhead]

This is a state where she should do better than Obama. Just as Colorado is one where she should do worse.

[morgieb]

Interesting to see so many undecideds with Clinton/Christie. Though both strike me as good fits for Ohio.

[barfbag]

Interesting to see so many undecideds with Clinton/Christie. Though both strike me as good fits for Ohio.

They are and if this were 2016 and 2013 we could take this poll seriously.

[Mr. Morden]

Christie vs. Clinton by age:
18-45: Clinton +9
46-65: Clinton +16
65+: tie

Paul vs. Clinton by age:
18-45: Clinton +8
46-65: Clinton +28
65+: Clinton +4

[barfbag]

Christie vs. Clinton by age:
18-45: Clinton +9
46-65: Clinton +16
65+: tie

Paul vs. Clinton by age:
18-45: Clinton +8
46-65: Clinton +28
65+: Clinton +4

This is good news for Clinton. She could bring back seniors who have started to vote for Republicans in this century.

[politicallefty]

If Hillary is the Democratic nominee, I'd expect Ohio to lean Democratic relative to the nation as a whole.

[Holmes]

Clinton country.

[barfbag]

Clinton country.

Maybe where you live .

[Holmes]

In rural Ontario? I don't think so.

[barfbag]

It's interesting how crucial it will matter as to who the Democratic nominee is in 2016 here in Ohio: Clinton or Biden. There's such a wide disparity between the two. Clinton's leading almost all potential GOP challengers by double digits while Biden is losing to Christie and Paul by over or close to double digits which is a 20 point difference between Clinton and Biden.

I can see how Joe Biden would get a lot less of the vote than Clinton especially because Biden is seen as a "big joke" who makes "idiotic comments all the time" even here among Democrats in Cuyahoga County! But what I see as shocking is how a swing state like Ohio that went for Obama both times between 3 and 5 points wouldn't go for his own Vice President who shares very similar views with him even if Biden's challenger was someone from the Tea Party.

Not very many voters voted for Obama because of his views. Romney won on a lot of issues.

[pbrower2a]

It's interesting how crucial it will matter as to who the Democratic nominee is in 2016 here in Ohio: Clinton or Biden. There's such a wide disparity between the two. Clinton's leading almost all potential GOP challengers by double digits while Biden is losing to Christie and Paul by over or close to double digits which is a 20 point difference between Clinton and Biden.

I can see how Joe Biden would get a lot less of the vote than Clinton especially because Biden is seen as a "big joke" who makes "idiotic comments all the time" even here among Democrats in Cuyahoga County! But what I see as shocking is how a swing state like Ohio that went for Obama both times between 3 and 5 points wouldn't go for his own Vice President who shares very similar views with him even if Biden's challenger was someone from the Tea Party.

Not very many voters voted for Obama because of his views. Romney won on a lot of issues.

Romney still lost Ohio by 3%, and Republicans cannot now win the Presidency without winning Ohio. Democrats who win Ohio basically in the Presidential election win the election because they are also solidifying their hold in such states as Pennsylvania and Michigan (barring a Favorite Son as in 1976). In 2008 the media all-but-called the Presidential election when they were certain that Obama had won Ohio (because he had a sure win in Ohio before the states on the West Coast closed the media waited for the formality of closing polls in California); in 2012 they called the election when Ohio was a sure thing because the polls had closed on the West Coast.  

Romney won certain constituencies on issues, which is much like saying that President Obama did well among blacks in the Deep South. Such was not enough to win.  

Calling more than half of American voters "deadbeats" may have sealed several states for Obama. The effort to link President Obama to Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez in ads directed at Spanish-speaking Cuban-Americans were all  too easy to understand for people who understand a little Spanish.

......

Joe Biden is now basically the new Harold Stassen, someone who will get votes in primary elections for President as long as he chooses to run. He has had his chances, and he has come up way short. He may just lack the killer instinct of those who win nominations. He becomes President only if the Unthinkable happens.

[barfbag]

It's interesting how crucial it will matter as to who the Democratic nominee is in 2016 here in Ohio: Clinton or Biden. There's such a wide disparity between the two. Clinton's leading almost all potential GOP challengers by double digits while Biden is losing to Christie and Paul by over or close to double digits which is a 20 point difference between Clinton and Biden.

I can see how Joe Biden would get a lot less of the vote than Clinton especially because Biden is seen as a "big joke" who makes "idiotic comments all the time" even here among Democrats in Cuyahoga County! But what I see as shocking is how a swing state like Ohio that went for Obama both times between 3 and 5 points wouldn't go for his own Vice President who shares very similar views with him even if Biden's challenger was someone from the Tea Party.

Not very many voters voted for Obama because of his views. Romney won on a lot of issues.

Romney still lost Ohio by 3%, and Republicans cannot now win the Presidency without winning Ohio. Democrats who win Ohio basically in the Presidential election win the election because they are also solidifying their hold in such states as Pennsylvania and Michigan (barring a Favorite Son as in 1976). In 2008 the media all-but-called the Presidential election when they were certain that Obama had won Ohio (because he had a sure win in Ohio before the states on the West Coast closed the media waited for the formality of closing polls in California); in 2012 they called the election when Ohio was a sure thing because the polls had closed on the West Coast.  

Romney won certain constituencies on issues, which is much like saying that President Obama did well among blacks in the Deep South. Such was not enough to win.  

Calling more than half of American voters "deadbeats" may have sealed several states for Obama. The effort to link President Obama to Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez in ads directed at Spanish-speaking Cuban-Americans were all  too easy to understand for people who understand a little Spanish.

......

Joe Biden is now basically the new Harold Stassen, someone who will get votes in primary elections for President as long as he chooses to run. He has had his chances, and he has come up way short. He may just lack the killer instinct of those who win nominations. He becomes President only if the Unthinkable happens.

You're right on all points, but I was rebutting what was said about Obama's views. Ohio will continue to vote for the winner as they do 9 times out of 10.