Can anything be done to turn this country back to the left?
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Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden
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« Reply #50 on: July 13, 2013, 03:05:19 PM »


Please explain.
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« Reply #51 on: July 13, 2013, 03:09:03 PM »
« Edited: July 13, 2013, 03:11:11 PM by hopper »

If Obama leaves office with a good economy, the under 40 yr old Obama base will solidify as seeing left policies working--even if Obama's policies weren't really that liberal--and it will be pretty much over for the far right.]
That's why 2012 was such an important election.
True. I think the far right pretty much died out after the 2012 election but they are riding out their 15 minutes for its all worth. They refuse to see the writing on the wall.
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« Reply #52 on: July 13, 2013, 03:11:33 PM »


It violates the right to freely bargain.
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« Reply #53 on: July 13, 2013, 03:15:58 PM »

Like we need another ObamaCare type of bill? That would be a mess. Keep in mind the Dems weren't very popular in the 111th Congress. Look at Pelosi's favorability numbers from that time period.


I'm confident that if Democrats retake the House, get to 60 in the Senate (or nuke the filibuster), and have the White House that the Public Option will be added into the Affordable Care Act. Once we get Medicaid For All the mandate will be moot and it will almost definitely never be repealed. It will be too popular. It would be as difficult for Republicans to abolish as Social Security and Medicaid are today. [/quote]

Public Option: You trust the government to another program when they can't pay or reform the programs they already have?

Social Security- Under Republican Blueprints you can have your own money and invest it in the stock market or entrust to the Federal Government(like you do now) until you are 65(as it stands now.) Medicaid-Under Republican Blueprints Medicaid would be state-run but the money would still come from the Feds.
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« Reply #54 on: July 13, 2013, 03:17:50 PM »


Unless you're going by a broad interpretation of the 9th Amendment, I don't know where in the Constitution said right is protected.
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« Reply #55 on: July 13, 2013, 03:48:44 PM »

This thread is hilarious.
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« Reply #56 on: July 13, 2013, 07:01:10 PM »

We are shifting to the left. It's the gerrymandered House and the filibustering Senate that's the problem.

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« Reply #57 on: July 13, 2013, 07:08:58 PM »


Not quite getting the cut of your gib.
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« Reply #58 on: July 13, 2013, 08:41:50 PM »

Public Option: You trust the government to another program when they can't pay or reform the programs they already have?

In reality it would just be Medicaid For All. An expansion of an exiting program. Also we could have an easier time paying for these programs if we could get our taxes back in order and do away with this supply-side nonsense.

Social Security- Under Republican Blueprints you can have your own money and invest it in the stock market or entrust to the Federal Government(like you do now) until you are 65(as it stands now.) Medicaid-Under Republican Blueprints Medicaid would be state-run but the money would still come from the Feds.

The semantics of Social Security are beside the point. I was making the point that it would be politically as difficult for the Republican to do away with the Public Option then to do away with Social security. Probably even more so. Medicaid For All could be the most popular government program since the GI Bill.
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« Reply #59 on: July 13, 2013, 10:34:25 PM »


So you support allowing yellow-dog contracts then?
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« Reply #60 on: July 13, 2013, 10:36:54 PM »


Uh, those are banned.
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« Reply #61 on: July 13, 2013, 10:44:41 PM »

I sure hope not.
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« Reply #62 on: July 13, 2013, 10:45:48 PM »


But banning those violates the right to freely contract that you said was constitutionally protected.  Please, if you're going to invoke a principle, be consistent in it.
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« Reply #63 on: July 13, 2013, 10:46:42 PM »

But banning those violates the right to freely contract that you said was constitutionally protected.

No it doesn't.
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« Reply #64 on: July 14, 2013, 12:09:10 AM »

What can be done to stop the 30+ year slow, gradual shift to the far right that American politics has undergone since at least the Reagan years, if not going back to the Nixon years? Can anything be done to curb the nation back toward the left, or at least the center?

The only solution is revolution.
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« Reply #65 on: July 14, 2013, 12:10:06 AM »

The Hard Right is doing enough to create a hostile resistance -- intellectual and moral. 
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« Reply #66 on: July 14, 2013, 12:47:51 AM »


No it doesn't. If I want to work without being part of a union and negotiate my own wages, then I should have the right to do so. If a company wants to hire a non-union employee then they should have the right to. People still have the right to unionize, but can't force others to join them. Being able to force someone into an organization is what violates rights.
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« Reply #67 on: July 14, 2013, 12:52:43 AM »

No it doesn't. If I want to work without being part of a union and negotiate my own wages, then I should have the right to do so.

You don't have to join. The only thing you have to do is pay the fees to receive union benefits.

If you don't pay the fees, why should you get benefits?
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« Reply #68 on: July 14, 2013, 12:55:15 AM »

No it doesn't. If I want to work without being part of a union and negotiate my own wages, then I should have the right to do so.

You don't have to join. The only thing you have to do is pay the fees to receive union benefits.

If you don't pay the fees, why should you get benefits?

What if someone wants to keep the fees to feed their children and already has benefits?
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« Reply #69 on: July 14, 2013, 12:58:03 AM »

What if someone wants to keep the fees to feed their children and already has benefits?

Benefits from who?
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« Reply #70 on: July 14, 2013, 01:00:06 AM »

What if someone wants to keep the fees to feed their children and already has benefits?

Benefits from who?

I'm talking about the benefits unions provide. What if someone already has health insurance for example? Or what if I prefer to be an at will employee and negotiate my own wage or salary? I shouldn't have to be in the union even if it means not having the benefits.
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« Reply #71 on: July 14, 2013, 01:02:20 AM »

I'm talking about the benefits unions provide.

Either pay the fees or skip the benefits.
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« Reply #72 on: July 14, 2013, 01:32:30 AM »

Bandit has a point.  Right to work is only right to scab while slowly undermining the unions so that eventually nobody gets the benefits.
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« Reply #73 on: July 14, 2013, 01:44:55 AM »

I'm talking about the benefits unions provide.

Either pay the fees or skip the benefits.

Yes I want to skip benefits. Why can't I just do that and work independent from the union?
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« Reply #74 on: July 14, 2013, 01:45:53 AM »

I'm talking about the benefits unions provide.

Either pay the fees or skip the benefits.

Yes I want to skip benefits. Why can't I just do that and work independent from the union?

Because the "right-to-work" laws force unions to provide benefits to people who won't pay.
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