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« on: July 11, 2013, 12:13:11 am »

MD (doctors)
JD (Lawyers)
MBA (Business Administration)
Pharmacy
MPA (Public Administration)
Urban Planning
Education
Astronomy
Public Health
Religion
Social Work
Engineering
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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2013, 12:22:12 am »

MD (doctors) - Romney
JD (Lawyers) - Obama
MBA (Business Administration) - Romney
Pharmacy - Obama
MPA (Public Administration) - Obama
Urban Planning - Obama
Education - Obama
Astronomy - Obama
Public Health - Obama
Religion - Romney
Social Work - Obama
Engineering - Obama
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2013, 01:25:22 am »

MD (doctors)
JD (Lawyers)
MBA (Business Administration)
Pharmacy
MPA (Public Administration)
Urban Planning
Education
Astronomy
Public Health
Religion
Social Work
Engineering

MD- Republican
JD- Democrat
Pharmacy- Republican
MBA- Republican
MPA- don't know
Urban Planning- Democrat
Education- Democrat
Public Health- Democrat
Astronomy- Republican
Social Work- Democrat
Engineer- Republican
Religion- Democrat
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2013, 10:36:50 am »

^^^

Astronomers would vote for a party with a large contingent who believes the earth is 6,000 years old??
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2013, 11:02:37 am »

Doctors - Toss-Up
Lawyers - Toss-Up
Business Administration - Romney
Pharmacy - Obama
Public Administration - Possibly Obama, not confident
Urban Planning - Obama
Education - Obama
Public Health - Obama
Religion - Romney
Social Work - Obama
Engineering - Romney
Astronomy - Toss-Up
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« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2013, 07:36:39 pm »

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Astronomers would vote for a party with a large contingent who believes the earth is 6,000 years old??

The science field tends to be Republican while the liberal arts voters tend to be more Democratic. However, we've seen in many elections where those with post graduate degrees vote at a higher percentage for Democrats than those with a 4 year college degree.
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« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2013, 08:48:29 pm »

Engineering is probably a toss-up. Engineers as a whole are heavily Republican, however there is virtually no benefit in terms of salary or job advancement to getting anything higher than a BS in engineering if you want a private sector job, so most engineers don't bother. If you're getting an MS and/or PhD in engineering, it's because you want to be a researcher or a professor. I know two guys who are doing PhDs in biomedical engineering and they are both lefties who love Obama. I know plenty of people who got bachelor's degrees in engineering and now work in oil & gas or chemical engineering and they are all severely conservative Republicans.
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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2013, 08:51:13 pm »

But what about accountants? My guess is Romney.

Ironically, someone whose livelihood depends on deciphering our country's complicated tax code should be fighting tooth and nail against anything that flattens or simplifies the tax code, and probably shouldn't be supporting Republicans. And they sure as hell should oppose getting rid of the corporate income tax, considering their clients are...corporations who want to minimize their tax burden.
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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2013, 09:01:44 pm »

Doctors - Lean Obama
Lawyers - Toss-Up
Business Administration - Romney
Pharmacy - Obama
Public Administration - Not sure, I would say Obama
Urban Planning - Obama
Education - Solid Obama
Public Health - Obama
Religion - Solid Romney
Social Work - Obama
Engineering - Toss-Up
Astronomy - Obama
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« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2013, 10:31:27 pm »

Engineering post-grads are probably lean-Dem overall, though not by any means guaranteed Dem. PhD students as a whole vote overwhelmingly Democratic, but engineering is something of an excepting. I do think there is some selection bias with the more conservative engineers opting for industry and the more liberal engineers disproportionately for grad school. Keep in mind that our stipends and research are largely government funded. That's not a minor concern and probably a huge reason for the leftward lean in academia. Another factor is that engineering students skew heavily male, so the gender gap plays a role.

Still in my experience, there are some around with every ideology in engineering grad school. I'd say Obama probably won engineering PhDs nationally but not by a huge margin.
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« Reply #10 on: August 03, 2013, 03:03:42 pm »

Considering the largely young and unmarried demographics at play here, combined with a post-graduate degree being one of the strongest indicators other than race of voting Democratic, the numbers here should be strongly Democratic across the board. There's probably an exception for MBA students (MAYBE religion?), people are overthinking this.
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« Reply #11 on: August 03, 2013, 04:14:57 pm »

^Yeah many if not most of the Republican voters with post-grad degrees are white male olds.
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« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2013, 09:48:15 pm »

Why are people considering doctors and lawyers toss-ups/lean Dems? Aren't these groups among the strongest Dem voters?
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« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2013, 10:00:45 pm »

Why are people considering doctors and lawyers toss-ups/lean Dems? Aren't these groups among the strongest Dem voters?

Lawyers yes, doctors not so much.
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« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2013, 10:42:29 pm »

MD's voted overwhelmingly for Romney
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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2013, 08:50:57 am »

Why are people considering doctors and lawyers toss-ups/lean Dems? Aren't these groups among the strongest Dem voters?

Lawyers yes, doctors not so much.

I remember reading a study about med students being disproportionately Dems. I know it's a fact that, like, 70%+ lawyers are Dems, which makes of these comments mystifying.
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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2013, 06:50:57 pm »

I agree with Badger. Based on demographics alone, I would guess that most post graduate students skew heavily Democratic. Heck, very few people in advanced academia skew Republican.
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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2013, 10:22:02 pm »

I agree with Badger. Based on demographics alone, I would guess that most post graduate students skew heavily Democratic. Heck, very few people in advanced academia skew Republican.

This is true. Other than professionals such as doctors and lawyers though, most Republican professions don't require a post-graduate degree. Instead they go out and make money after college.
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2013, 10:34:42 pm »

You guys seem to be equating post-grad religion with clergy or people working in organized religion. That might be partially true, but at least a large minority of them are academics, religious historians, people who study comparative religion, etc; who obviously are very liberal. Really need to break down that category.
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2013, 10:44:38 pm »

You guys seem to be equating post-grad religion with clergy or people working in organized religion. That might be partially true, but at least a large minority of them are academics, religious historians, people who study comparative religion, etc; who obviously are very liberal. Really need to break down that category.

I myself am one of them; a religion scholar and let me tell you our department is full of liberals. They're not very liberal, but solid Democrats. The clergy at the schools I've attended lean Republican; purplish red to light red. What I've been fortunate enough to avoid is liberal professors who bring every topic of discussion back to Bush and Iraq. There's a lot of that to watch out for in academia. My religion classes helped to make me the happy moderate that I am, but didn't turn me to the dark side. I've become quite a critical thinker.
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« Reply #20 on: August 06, 2013, 06:02:09 pm »

As to MBAs, I don't know how common it is in the US for various specialisations to actually do a master. In Germany, a Bachelor is worth nothing (even not for chartered accountants), so virtually every  economic professional needs an MBA here. A quick count among my MBA friends and acquaintances (including colleagues, and guys I went to school with) yields something like 12 left-leaning vs. 2 right-leaning vs. 1 toss-up, but that is Germany, and may also include quite an selection bias on my side.

In terms of specialisation, I would guess the following:
Marketing - strong Obama
Recruiting - strong Obama (many females)
Banking / Finance - toss-up (international exposure favouring Obama, self-identification favouring Romney)
Accounting / taxation - toss-up or lean Obama
Production management/ control - Romney
IT-related - Obama
Top management - depends on sector, industry strong Romney, services toss-up or lean Obama.

Overall, I would guess it is an Obama lean.
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« Reply #21 on: August 06, 2013, 07:01:10 pm »

Scientists strongly lean Democratic, according to this Pew study.
http://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/section-4-scientists-politics-and-religion/
55% of scientists are lean democrats; 6%(!) are republicans. Counting in leaners, the figure is about 81% democratic.

As such, I would expect science postgrads to have strongly supported Obama.

Some reasons for this:

a) A large proportion of scientists work in the public center
b) They are disproportionately agnostic; almost none are evangelicals (see chart at bottom).
c) Scientists of today (as opposed to say, 150 years ago) are much more interconnected throughout the globe. There is much less nationalistic rivalry as opposed to that between Germany and Britain in the early 20th century. Thus, they are strongly internationalist (and therefore do not take kindly to anti-UN rhetoric).
d) They spend longer getting degrees, therefore more time is spent in predominantly liberal postgrad cities.

So from what it seems here, most postgrads in scientific fields, including (and perhaps especially) astronomy are liberal. They would have strongly supported Obama.

Doctors, however, do not seem to be as liberal. I see more of a liberal trend occurring over several decades, in part a result of the general educational elite moving towards the democrats. However, doctors are more conservative than scientists probably because they operate in a more corporate setting; there is less public sector influence.
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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2013, 12:56:07 am »

The setting one works in is more of an influence than the education they were part of.
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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2013, 04:23:01 pm »

Evidence?
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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2013, 04:31:56 pm »

Scientists strongly lean Democratic, according to this Pew study.
http://www.people-press.org/2009/07/09/section-4-scientists-politics-and-religion/
55% of scientists are lean democrats; 6%(!) are republicans. Counting in leaners, the figure is about 81% democratic.

As such, I would expect science postgrads to have strongly supported Obama.

Some reasons for this:

a) A large proportion of scientists work in the public center
b) They are disproportionately agnostic; almost none are evangelicals (see chart at bottom).
c) Scientists of today (as opposed to say, 150 years ago) are much more interconnected throughout the globe. There is much less nationalistic rivalry as opposed to that between Germany and Britain in the early 20th century. Thus, they are strongly internationalist (and therefore do not take kindly to anti-UN rhetoric).
d) They spend longer getting degrees, therefore more time is spent in predominantly liberal postgrad cities.

e) (Much of the) Republican party's support for anti-scientific views: Support for ID/YE Creationism, scepticism/denial of global warming. When President Bush declared his support for teaching ID and evolution as "competing theories", it really showed the problems Republicans have with science. Scientists are probably less likely to vote for such a party.
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