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Mister Mets
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« on: July 09, 2013, 03:55:54 AM »

Well, it could be selection bias, looking at a sample that excludes Republican wins in 1980, 1984 and 1988.

There is a tendency for a party to keep the White House for two terms, and then get kicked out. So, it could be that Republicans lost because of that, or whatever correlates to that. But the losses are then easily explained.
1992- Voter fatigue after three consecutive terms (the longest stint in the White House in generations.)
1996- Charismatic incumbent whose party took the White House in the earlier cycle won reelection.
2008- Voter fatigue. Incumbent blamed for severe economic problems.
2012- Charismatic incumbent whose party took the White House in the earlier cycle won reelection.

Even if you agree with the Supreme Court, 2000 was so close that it could have gone either way, although there was a combination of a fairly popular Incumbent Prez, and a last minute October surprise with the revelation of Bush's drunk driving arrest.
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2013, 04:13:14 PM »
« Edited: July 18, 2013, 04:19:54 PM by Mister Mets »

It's worth noting that it's been a while since Republicans lost an election they clearly should have won.

Democrats have at least two of those on their record: 1976 and 1988. Both of those were bigger than Republican losses in 2008 or 2012.

In what universe is Al Gore charismatic?
For his faults, Gore was probably a stronger candidate than anyone else Democrats had available in 2000 (Bradley, Kerry, Kerrey, Gephardt, Dean, Wellstone, Jackson.)

That was partly because Republican victories in 1994 meant the Democrats had a weak bench of statewide office holders in 2000.
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2013, 08:52:48 AM »
« Edited: July 27, 2013, 08:56:43 AM by Mister Mets »

It's worth noting that it's been a while since Republicans lost an election they clearly should have won.

Democrats have at least two of those on their record: 1976 and 1988. Both of those were bigger than Republican losses in 2008 or 2012.


Carter won in 1976. Wink

I am trying to figure out what you meant in its place though.
Sorry, 1980.

It was the only time a party got kicked out of White House after just one term in the last 100+ years.

And 1988 is the only time in my mother's lifetime that a party kept the White House for more than two terms.

So it does seem that 1980 and 1988 can be considered two elections the Democrats should have won. Instead, Republicans won 425+ electoral votes both times.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2013, 11:30:51 PM »

It's worth noting that it's been a while since Republicans lost an election they clearly should have won.

Democrats have at least two of those on their record: 1976 and 1988. Both of those were bigger than Republican losses in 2008 or 2012.


Carter won in 1976. Wink

I am trying to figure out what you meant in its place though.
Sorry, 1980.

It was the only time a party got kicked out of White House after just one term in the last 100+ years.

And 1988 is the only time in my mother's lifetime that a party kept the White House for more than two terms.

So it does seem that 1980 and 1988 can be considered two elections the Democrats should have won. Instead, Republicans won 425+ electoral votes both times.

Very true, presidents are mostly re-elected.
It's not just that Presidents are mostly re-elected, but that the other ones who lost (George HW Bush in 1988, Gerald Ford in 1976, Taft in 1912) did so when their party had held the White House for some time.

Carter is the first since McKinley's election to get kicked out after one term of his party in the White House, in twelve reversals of the party in power in the White House.
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« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2013, 11:41:36 PM »

It was the only time a party got kicked out of White House after just one term in the last 100+ years.

And 1988 is the only time in my mother's lifetime that a party kept the White House for more than two terms.

So it does seem that 1980 and 1988 can be considered two elections the Democrats should have won. Instead, Republicans won 425+ electoral votes both times.

It was during the Republican realignment. Now we're under the Democratic realignment. These surges last for some 30 year, then another one starts, usually. The 1980 was the peak of the Republican era. The peak of the Democratic era is just around the corner I believe. Probably 2016 or 2020 will be that year, just like 1984 was the one for Republicans.
I don't know if it was a Republican alignment in the 70s and 80s (since Carter won a close election after Watergate) as much as it was bad decisions by the Democratic party.

Though that's obviously something the Republican party can repeat.

Even if you believe demographic trends will make the Democrats the favorites in the next few elections, it doesn't seem likely that it will help the party get the 44 state/ 489 electoral vote win Reagan got in 1980 and exceeded in 1984.

I wrote this elsewhere, but we don't even know what the current trends are.

The 2012 Presidential election can fit three historic narratives. We won’t know for some time which summary is the most accurate.

I tend to agree with the middle of the road narrative. The United States has a two party system in which there’s currently a level of parity between Democrats and Republicans. Since Eisenhower, the following tendency has predicted 14 out of 16 presidential elections: Voters select a party for two term in the White House, and then go and pick the other guys. Obama’s victory, while Republicans kept the House and expanded their number of Governors from 29 to at least 30, fits this version. It’s possible that at some point we’ll have a realigning election giving one party dominance like the Republicans had after the Civil War, and Democrats had after the Great Depression, but it hasn’t happened yet.

Then there’s the argument that favors Democrats. Bill Clinton seized the center in 1992, and we’re already in an era of Democratic dominance. Since then, Democrats won three landslide elections and one close election (and the electoral vote wasn’t all that close), while Republicans won one close election and one possibly fraudulent election. Meanwhile, the changing demographics of the country, as 50,000 Hispanic-Americans become eligible to vote every day, as well as changing views on social issues, are just making the electorate more liberal. Republicans will win a few presidential elections, as Grover Cleveland and Woodrow Wilson did in the otherwise Republican era from 1860-1928, and Eisenhower did in the Democratic era from 1932-1964. But the next Presidents are more likely than not to be Democrats.

A conservative version of this narrative is that the nation is becoming more redistributionist, and that is why Democrats now have the edge.

The least convincing claim is that this is still an era of Republican dominance. By this argument, since liberalism died with LBJ, Republicans have won 7 of the last 12 presidential elections, and the party is favored to win the next two, as it has been three generations since Democrats held the White House for more than two terms. Democrats only get the White House under the right set of circumstances. Their only successful nominees since Nixon have been Southern Governors, or a rare candidate who fit a very specific demographic sweet spot: a Midwestern African-American elected to statewide office. And the only Republicans who lose are moderates who weren’t able to excite the base/ silent majority the way Nixon, Reagan and George W Bush did.

The three scenarios have implications for the 2016 presidential election. If we’re in an age of parity, the Republicans are more likely to win, but Democrats have a shot at keeping the White House in the event of a catastrophically bad nominee or fantastic approval ratings for the outgoing President. If this is an era of Democratic dominance, the reverse is true. My concern is that too many Republicans will be comforted by the final argument, and decide that to nominate the most conservative candidate the next time around, regardless of the individual’s political gifts, or lack thereof.
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