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« on: July 03, 2013, 02:05:14 AM »

More gays are coming out, but other than gay marriage the gays I know are at least as conservative as I am. I know a gay person who hates the idea of gay marriage because it would make him feel like a straight person. Basically he wants gays to have a culture of their own and he believes those who want gay marriage simply push for it due to leftist .political reasons which only gives gays a bad name. Part of me wants to legalize gay marriage just to take the issue off of the table. Of course knowing Democrats they'll just push for something more even if gays are perfectly happy. It's quite obvious that most people at gay marriage rallies aren't even gay, but liberals trying to rally more to their cause just like they did in the 60's. Do they actually care about gays though is my question? Or are they being used as political propaganda? I say let's legalize it and take the issue off of the table so that Democrats can't whine about it.
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barfbag
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« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2013, 09:35:05 PM »

More gays are coming out, but other than gay marriage the gays I know are at least as conservative as I am. I know a gay person who hates the idea of gay marriage because it would make him feel like a straight person. Basically he wants gays to have a culture of their own and he believes those who want gay marriage simply push for it due to leftist .political reasons which only gives gays a bad name. Part of me wants to legalize gay marriage just to take the issue off of the table. Of course knowing Democrats they'll just push for something more even if gays are perfectly happy. It's quite obvious that most people at gay marriage rallies aren't even gay, but liberals trying to rally more to their cause just like they did in the 60's. Do they actually care about gays though is my question? Or are they being used as political propaganda? I say let's legalize it and take the issue off of the table so that Democrats can't whine about it.

I view this in a very similar vien.  I am for SSM mostly because I do not think government should be involved in defining what marriage should be.  By the same logic I am for legalizing polygamy.  I think many people are for SSM for the same reasons and I support their positions and motivations.  I think others are for SSM as part of an agenda to make the LGBT lifestype mainstream at the cultural level by using the government to almost bless this lifestyle.  I am opposed to this agenda as this is a cultural issue and the government should not be forced to take sides.  For me the best way to beat this back is to announce that government will not be in the business of deciding what is marriage and what is not.  I think social conservatives if they thought about would agree with this approach.  Their main beef with SSM, if one takes a step back, is really with the growth of the LGBT lifestyle and that it is being legitimized.  They were hoping to use the government to stop this but perhaps they can see now that time is not on their side.  The best way to accomplish their goals is to take the governement as weapon out of everyone's hands and make it a non-issue from a policy point of view.  Then the cultural battle over the LGBT lifestyle can take place where it should be, inside peoples homes and social circles where people can choose who they want to associate with.  And if someone despises the LGBT lifestyle he or she should, without government intervention, be free not to associate with someone from that lifestyle. 

Very interesting approach! What gives government the right to decide what marriage is or is not? Leave it up to the states has been my approach. Each state has the right to put it on their ballot. There are a lot of libertarian ways to look at it though. Another question is "what gives gays the right to impose their will on us?" Then on the other hand you could ask "what gives anyone to right to tell someone else what they can and can't do?" On social issues I like to base my stance on whether or not one's liberties interfere with the liberties of another. Again, I don't believe as many people care about legalizing gay marriage as claim to. It feels nice to "take a stand for what seems like a noble cause" without actually thinking about the issue at hand. Then there's straight liberals who only want to exploit gays for their own political gain by supporting gay marriage.
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