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« on: May 08, 2013, 12:28:26 AM »

it's sort of a crassly nationalistic conservative worldview and America-centric view of Christianity that America was sort of the "christian" country and that the story of adversity is very much like that of the bible. It romanticizes a sort of agricultural frontiersmanlike America where the hardships are compared to that of the bible and how the farmer will eventually "enjoy the fruits of their labor" and what not. To them, this is what capitalism (or free enterprise as they call it) is, rather than a lot of fat cat millionaires throwing parties. They tend to believe free enterprise is a natural extension of Christianity with people being industrious, enjoying the fruits of their labor and the whole shebang. They tend to believe that without Christianity, capitalism will fail.

They also believe in a type of antistatist type of Christianity where the government is some kind of golden calf that people are worshiping instead of God. They tend to be skeptical of public schools (or government schools as they like to call them) because they view it as some kind of place where students are taught to worship the federal government and the U.N. rather than God.

These folks tend to see the democratic party then as a motley crew of people with ulterior motives. They tend to think that the civil rights movement, the environmental movement, gay rights movement, the woman's rights movement (especially abortion rights) as all branching off the same tree and all being directed by a select group of people behind the scenes (Marcuse, Cloward, Gramsci).

Some articulators of this ideology I would think would be the late Rev Billy James Hargis, Cleon Skousen, Curtis Bowers, RenewAmerica and WND, Paul Harvey, and Citizens United.
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« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2013, 12:35:49 AM »

Have you heard of the Republican Party?
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« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2013, 12:39:17 AM »

You mean the Tea Party aka the GOP base?

EDIT: beaten to it
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« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2013, 12:59:19 AM »

Have you heard of the Republican Party?
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« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2013, 01:04:57 AM »


Basically.

Note that this is an ideology which (with some variations) exists in many other Western countries - though the US is the only one where it has become mainstream. It is basically the hardest (and nastiest) core of the Anti-Enlightenment movement which exists since the early 19th at least.
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« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2013, 01:28:18 AM »

Didn't the Spanish version of Fascism under Franco practice something similar to this but altered to fit the context of Spain? Franco was staunchly anti-communist and tended to oppose a publicly-funded welfare state because he thought it would weaken the Catholic Church, which he viewed as one of the pillars of traditional Spanish society.

But the specific ideology you're referencing sounds a lot like what the Constitution Party believes.
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« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2013, 05:29:25 AM »

Beaten to it.
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« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2013, 05:49:05 AM »

Sure, these people suck, but really, what percentage of Americans actually buy into that entire spiel?  5?  10 at most?  And aren't most of them elderly?  And I'm pretty sure it ain't just these people that overly romanticize the family farm, lots of different people do that (for reasons I can't fathom....I'm guessing most of them have never been nowhere near a real farm, or at least haven't been since they were wee lads).
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« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2013, 05:49:49 AM »

This ideology has proponents that wouldn't even be able to concisely articulate it like you have. They don't even consider it an ideology, to them it's just American.

It's basically Nasoism.
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« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2013, 06:53:52 AM »

Have you heard of the Republican Party?

The people really in charge of the GOP aren't really Christians... doesn't stop them from playing one on TV. 
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« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2013, 09:19:46 AM »

Excellent articulation (sorry for bumping, but Tik's post just got put in the Goldmine), and why I see the Tea Party as a step above protofascism.
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« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2013, 07:36:29 PM »


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OTOH, the American version of it at least superficially endorses the Founding Fathers and republicanism unlike their European counterparts.
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« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2013, 08:38:33 PM »

Are you familiar with the Constitution Party?
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« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2013, 06:01:03 AM »

Familiar with? Some sections of your description tally with my own personal beliefs, mainly on how capitalism and Christianity are essentially entwined in western civilisation, having traditionally functioned to complement one another.
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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2013, 06:25:19 AM »

Christianity and capitalism cannot function together without significant shrugging off of fundamental aspects of each other. Jesus was not a capitalist.
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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2013, 10:59:36 AM »

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« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2013, 07:20:34 PM »

Christianity and capitalism cannot function together without significant shrugging off of fundamental aspects of each other. Jesus was not a capitalist.
Jesus wasn't anything politically. He never condemned the idea that a man can make a living or profit, but he did condemn the concept that you have to be ruthless and greedy to do so. And he also stated that wealth can, like any coveted object, replace God. But the idea that Jesus was some type of revolutionary socialists is as absurd as the idea that he was a capitalist/pre Ayn Rand Objectivist.
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« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2013, 07:22:27 PM »

Are you familiar with the Constitution Party?
The Constitution Party gets such a bad rap on this subject. The whole party is based around the idea that gay marriage/abortion/drugs/assisted suicide is wrong but that the government shouldn't do anything about it. Nor is it a hawkish party.

If you want to vote for a theocratic party, America's Party is your best bet.
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« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2013, 07:31:24 PM »

Are you familiar with the Constitution Party?
The Constitution Party gets such a bad rap on this subject. The whole party is based around the idea that gay marriage/abortion/drugs/assisted suicide is wrong but that the government shouldn't do anything about it. Nor is it a hawkish party.
No, the Constitution Party does want the government to do stuff about it.
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« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2013, 08:12:33 PM »

Are you familiar with the Constitution Party?
The Constitution Party gets such a bad rap on this subject. The whole party is based around the idea that gay marriage/abortion/drugs/assisted suicide is wrong but that the government shouldn't do anything about it. Nor is it a hawkish party.

If you want to vote for a theocratic party, America's Party is your best bet.

Where in that description did it say anything about a hawkish foreign policy?
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« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2013, 09:08:38 PM »

Are you familiar with the Constitution Party?
The Constitution Party gets such a bad rap on this subject. The whole party is based around the idea that gay marriage/abortion/drugs/assisted suicide is wrong but that the government shouldn't do anything about it. Nor is it a hawkish party.

If you want to vote for a theocratic party, America's Party is your best bet.

Where in that description did it say anything about a hawkish foreign policy?
You did not say that, but it's a common misconception.

Are you familiar with the Constitution Party?
The Constitution Party gets such a bad rap on this subject. The whole party is based around the idea that gay marriage/abortion/drugs/assisted suicide is wrong but that the government shouldn't do anything about it. Nor is it a hawkish party.
No, the Constitution Party does want the government to do stuff about it.
Your right. I remember that they opposed government intervention on such things, but that may have been the party's state chapter down here. Sorry for the false information I put out on the Constitution Party-they are indeed theocratic and scary Tongue.
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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2013, 10:14:21 AM »

Christianity and capitalism cannot function together without significant shrugging off of fundamental aspects of each other. Jesus was not a capitalist.
Jesus wasn't anything politically. He never condemned the idea that a man can make a living or profit, but he did condemn the concept that you have to be ruthless and greedy to do so. And he also stated that wealth can, like any coveted object, replace God. But the idea that Jesus was some type of revolutionary socialists is as absurd as the idea that he was a capitalist/pre Ayn Rand Objectivist.

I thought this post summed things up very well.
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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2013, 11:03:56 AM »

Sounds like a cool ideology. I should get in on it.
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