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WillipsBrighton
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« on: April 27, 2013, 08:31:08 PM »

The Biden plan was not right. The Biden plan was stupid. It's the sort of thing someone who thinks they're an expert because they read a Wikipedia article would come up with.


3 words: Baghdad, mixed city.
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2013, 09:48:39 AM »

The Biden plan was not right. The Biden plan was stupid. It's the sort of thing someone who thinks they're an expert because they read a Wikipedia article would come up with.


3 words: Baghdad, mixed city.

What is your proposition? The Shia and Sunni hate each other, and the PKK is relocating it's forces to Northern Iraq.

There really isn't a good solution but the Biden plan would actually make things worse.

Again, what do you do about mixed cities? Who gets Baghdad? Who gets Kirkuk?

If it looked like a split was likely, each side would up the ante in terms of ethnic cleansing to make sure they got the disputed areas.
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« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2013, 09:56:14 AM »


You do realize that before Britain came along, all of Iraq was actually lumped in to an even bigger country?
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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2013, 03:31:22 AM »

Perhaps the UN should ban the UK from drawing borders ever again, with the threat of sanctions.

Again. Britain carved Iraq out of a bigger country. How can you blame them for this?
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« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2013, 03:53:17 PM »

Kurdistan actually doesn't cause that many problems.

The problem is Sunnis and Shias living together which can't be helped.
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« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2013, 09:09:22 PM »

It's Mesopotamia, it's Babylon, it's a country surrounding the Tigris and Euphrates river beds that had existed numerous times over millennia.

They didn't draw the lines at random.

Either way, again, Baghdad is still going to be mixed no matter what. People will want to move to what is by far the largest city in the area. There's still going to be civil war in Baghdad.

Making the south its own country wouldn't solve anything. There isn't a civil war going one there, there's just repression by Shia militia, which would still exist (and in fact probably be worse) if the south was its own country.

The civil war is all in Baghdad, where the people live, and there isn't any way you can draw the borders to make that better.

Again, unless you advocate ethnic cleansing.
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