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Potus
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« on: January 20, 2014, 08:22:00 AM »

What do you have to say to about the social consequences of your Anti-Plutocracy Act?

The bill creates more homelessness, destroys community involvement such as estate-funded scholarships, leaves kids with less opportunity, devastates private social assistance, and significantly reduces the availability of capital.

Are you ready to condemn kids, widows, and charitable organizations?

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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2014, 11:52:04 AM »

You speak as if private social assistance is deficient and the government is a worker of miracles. That's clearly just not the case. Churches and youth organizations have done more to combat hunger and poverty than government. Take my home of Appalachia for example, government intervention has entirely failed to solve the issue of chronic poverty. Meanwhile, private organizations like Workforce West Virginia and churches have made large strides in combating extreme poverty.

As far as college aid, the big government top down approach has COMPLETELY failed to make college affordable. An education gets more and more expensive the more the federal government spends. That's not a coincidence. Private aid, however, scales to the value offered by an education. It injects free market variables and increases efficiency. It is far superior to government aid. This bill devastates that opportunity.
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2014, 02:27:23 PM »

[citations needed]

The only thing this bill "devastates" is the ability of social parasites to pass on wealth they stole from the working class to their children.

On the citation issue, you just have to look at the level of government aid and the expense of a four year education. They're in lock step. Private college aid is designed to produce the most value for education. It's the nature of private aid. Maximize the productive potential of the recipient.

On the ludicrous pseudo-populist rhetoric, that's just outright absurd. You're evicting widows and their kids. You're kicking them out of their house because the person with their name on the deed died. You are seeing, ladies and gentlemen, the Labor-TNF solution to income inequality. Make everyone poor, homeless, and confiscate their college fund.
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2014, 03:14:06 PM »

Senator, you are yet to answer my criticisms. You go ferociously negative on your opponent and then continue your attacks when they are developing a platform. But here you are, with clear and logical doubts about your record and you ignore them.
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2014, 03:49:26 PM »

I apologize, I hadn't seen your response when I responded to Franzl.

Private aid will only ever help so many people. I am a firm believer in fully public education and will introduce a bill to totally nationalize the university system and make college education free for all before my term in the Senate is up. Tuition should be abolished wholesale and everyone allowed to obtain a higher education based upon their merits alone. I have always been on record supporting this and will continue to support it.

I don't have much sympathy for people who make obscene amounts of money when someone dies to pay back a portion of that to prevent the growth of an Atlasian aristocracy. I have already offered an amendment to shake out some of the specifics of my plan, and rest assured, it will mean that no one pays the estate tax until they reach $1,000,001, an income level that can surely fend for itself. The solution to income inequality is to end capitalism, for it is the system which produces such inequities in the first place. Barring that, confiscating as much of the wealth that the 1% has and has confiscated from the 99% and using it to improve the condition of the 99% is the best we can get. That, plus nationalization of industry, which will remove the source of the 1%ers power over the rest of us.

My solution is socialism. That is, the ownership of the means of production and exchange by the workers themselves, with worker direction of the economy and worker direction of democracy. I do not seek to impress or gain the support of the rich, that is, the social parasites, in the process, rather, I seek the creation of a new order which wipes out the social parasites as a class and establishes true democracy, uninhabited by grafters and enemies of mankind.

Private aid has helped many people, merit- and need-based alike. What you fail to realize is that when everyone goes to college, no one goes to college. It just becomes four more years on the existing public school system. Then you'll see the development of private grad schools that offer better services and more qualifications.

You talk about the world as if it is a purely philosophical realm. Reality and practicality are to be ignored because "99% Percent!!!" Don't pontificate as if you're intentions are enough to provide for peoples' livelihoods and wellbeing. I can tackle your argument of confiscation-at-gun-point morality but I'd rather bind this conversation to realistic circumstances. The only system in this world's history that has enriched everyone is capitalism. Real communism traded Businessman-Aristocratic plutocrats for Government Thug-type Plutocrats. That is where socialism leads. Not to the enrichment of the poor, but to the impoverishing of rich. It does nothing to create wealth for the most vulnerable amongst us, only to destroy the wealth of the invulnerable.

Your record has been one of wreaking havoc on the core of communities, businesses. Business is the key to empowering communities to improve their infrastructure and their schools. They pay the tax revenue. Conspiring with multi-millionaire union bosses to undermine those vital civic bodies. The union legislation you have proposed over and over is the manifestation of those union bosses wish list. You're agenda is to bankrupt businesses, put people out of work, and embolden the crooks that are union leadership. After doing all of this through government intervention, you'll turn around and blame capitalism so you have grounds to preach about socialism.

Midwesterners, don't believe his feigned concern for the rhetorical "99%." It is in the Senator's political interest to ruin businesses, destroy communities, confiscate wealth, and leave you jobless. It is Labor's agenda for you to be in the worst condition you can be in so they can blame capitalism. They want you angry at capitalism, not at Nyman, for the state of misery they inflicted on you. They want to further the agenda of the millionaire union bosses. So while you're getting your severance check, your Senator will be getting his campaign contribution. I hope it's worth it.
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« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2014, 11:26:29 AM »

So you're not just bankrupting Social Security, you're bankrupting the entire federal budget?
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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2014, 06:31:25 AM »

Not sure how that would bankrupt the entire federal budget when there are plenty of cuts that could be made elsewhere (especially in the realm of military spending and the national security state) and plenty of tax increases we could enact upon the wealthy to make up the difference.

National security is and should always be the first priority of the federal government. There aren't enough rich people to fund everything. It just makes no economic sense.
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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2014, 05:10:33 PM »

Cris could be a good Federalist moderator.

I would love to see him moderate, but he is part of my campaign team after all...

Senator, I think it's time for us to finally have a debate on the issues. I sincerely apologize for the long wait, but I still can't find a moderator who both of us could consider impartial. Do you have any proposals for a moderator?

Perhaps a panel of moderators would be best? One Federalist, one Progressive, one Laborite, and one Democratic-Republican?

That would be perfect indeed, and it would certainly secure a very engaging debate! I would like to suggest Tyrion as the Laborite moderator, and Scott or Siren as the Progressive moderator. I'm not sure about the Federalist and the Democratic-Republican, though.

I'm down!

Great!

I'll do it for the Feds, if need be.
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2014, 12:59:24 AM »

Congratulations Senator! This is not only a win for Labor, but a win for our region. We've put our grudges aside and now the Midwest has two strong leaders willing to work together for the better of the Midwest! You've represented our region well as an active voice and I know you'll continue to do just that.


I also encourage all of you to cast a write-in vote or vote "None of the Above" in the Midwest Senate race because we can't allow Senator TNF to continue his blatant extremism and unwillingness to step down from the Senate.

So I won't be running now, in October, or December, and I know plenty of guys like SWE, oakvale, Simfan or TNF himself will be deeply saddened that there won't be a TNF-LeBron FitzGerald battle. However, I will heavily support and campaign for whoever the challenger is that arises to him in October as he's only become more toxic ever since June with the guillotine bill or now that he's PPT, allowing a gateway drug to be used by elected politicians on the Senate floor.
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