Office of Chairman TNF: Red Army takes NM, UT, ID, AZ

[TNF]

My opponent has shown his true colors today with an attack on legislation that I have recently introduced, comrades. Let me explain myself, and let me explain where I and our Moderate Hero of a Governor differ on the issues.

I have been, and shall continue to be in the Senate if I am elected to a third term, a consistent voice for Liberty. I have stood up to the bosses and will continue to stand up to the bosses. I believe in true liberty, that is, the liberty to be free from private as well as public oppression, and that is why I have introduced a few wide-ranging pieces of legislation on this 7th of January 2014.

My opponent is a friend of the creditor, of the landlord, of the boss. Not of the debtor, the tenant, or the worker. He's made that evidently clear in his critique of my legislation, which I will respond to here.

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My opponent says that debt forgiveness will encourage "irresponsibility" from most of the developing world. I say that what is irresponsible is the conduct of Atlasia towards the bankers who have made these loans which now enslave third world nations and prevent them from developing independently. My opponent is thus on the side of the international financiers, and has no sense of brotherhood (or sisterhood) toward his fellow man or women. Debt forgiveness will allow these nations to begin the long overdue process of developing competitive economies, employing their own people, and, in the long run, joining the developed world. We should not allow the criminal bankers of this country to enslave the people of the developing world. On this issue, my opponent stands with the criminal bankers, not the indebted of the developing world.

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Continuing his support for the powerful at the expense of the powerless, my opponent wishes to see the CIA continue its brutal and murderous campaigns against dissident movements and enemies of capital the world over. Whom are the enemies of Atlasia, Governor? We are not at war with anyone. We should not be making enemies by spying on nations with which we have no public issue. Again, he wishes to defer to the Generals, the top brass, the leadership. What of the rank-and-file soldier? Why defer to those who do not do the fighting?

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Again, my opponent stands with the oppressor. We would not tolerate the same kind of action by any other power on the globe, why should we from Israel? Apartheid can only be broken with pressure and the encouragement of the Palestinians to defend themselves against Israeli encroachment upon their territory. I stand with Palestine, I support Palestine, and I will fight for Palestinian independence in the Senate. My opponent stands with the oppressive Israeli government, supports inaction on the issue (which is really support for Israel), and will fight for the status quo.

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Plenty of nations keep large and disciplined militaries without having to recourse to nuclear weaponry. I see no reason why we cannot do the same. I support a total ban on all weapons of mass destruction in the Atlasian armed forces, and will not temporize on that demand. NATO is an outdated, imperialist fixture of the Cold War with no real purpose in 2014. Why are we still in it? We hardly need an aggressive alliance to "contain" Russia. Russia is not our enemy.

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My opponent thinks that you should lose your voting rights if you go to jail. What a wonderful way to disenfranchise the working class, and what a disgusting admission on your part, Governor.

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The actual amendment only mentions a ban on life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, not a ban on life imprisonment. I do favor a ban on life imprisonment, but I am unsure that it would make it through the Senate, which is why I have modified my demand here.

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Yes, it would. Provided that the polygamous relationship is consensual, I see no reason to bar polygamists from the rights accorded under a civil union. I support the legalization of polygamous civil unions in the interests of preserving and protecting liberty. If you don't like polygamous civil unions, don't get one. It's pretty simple, Governor.

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I have no respect for those who wish to force women to bear children against their will. The advocates of compulsory pregnancy have dominated the discussion in Atlasia for far too long, and should no longer be allowed to define the terms of debate. I support the right to free abortion on demand, with no questions asked. I consider myself to be a proud feminist and supporter of the right of women to determine their own destinies and control their own bodies. My opponent stands for compulsory pregnancy. I stand for the right to choose.

[DC Al Fine]

Senator, this is the elephant in the room.  How do you explain your complete and total defense of Xahar, while at the same time utterly condemning Napoleon?  Are your actions and behaviors regarding these two individuals based on anything at all, other than your personal relationship with each of them?

[Enderman]

Senator, this is the elephant in the room.  How do you explain your complete and total defense of Xahar, while at the same time utterly condemning Napoleon?  Are your actions and behaviors regarding these two individuals based on anything at all, other than your personal relationship with each of them?

[Ban my account ffs!]

Senator, this is the elephant in the room.  How do you explain your complete and total defense of Xahar, while at the same time utterly condemning Napoleon?  Are your actions and behaviors regarding these two individuals based on anything at all, other than your personal relationship with each of them?

Not to worry, I have shot and detusked the elephant.  It can't hurt anybody any longer.

[tmthforu94]

Thank you, Senator, for continuing to remind me why I'm supporting your opponent.

[TNF]

Thank you, Senator, for continuing to remind me why I'm supporting your opponent.

Welcome.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Senator, this is the elephant in the room.  How do you explain your complete and total defense of Xahar, while at the same time utterly condemning Napoleon?  Are your actions and behaviors regarding these two individuals based on anything at all, other than your personal relationship with each of them?

[Spamage]

Thank you, Senator, for continuing to remind me why I'm supporting your opponent.

[TNF]

Thank you, Senator, for continuing to remind me why I'm supporting your opponent.

Not having support of the guy responsible for the death of the Pacific region is fine by me, fwiw.

[Sec. of State Superique]

Thank you, Senator, for continuing to remind me why I'm supporting your opponent.

Not having support of the guy responsible for the death of the Pacific region is fine by me, fwiw.

Oh, dirty boy! You are gradually becoming your idol, TNF!

TNF looks like the Picture of Dorian Grey

[PJ]

'tl;dr Lumine?' You can't be serious! Remember this?

A dark day for the Republic.

Xahar prevented passage of the women's rights amendment and the abolition of conscription amendment, two landmark leftist pieces of legislation sponsored by the two of you. Yet you hold him up to the highest esteem and defend him as if he's been a glorious senator. Remember when Light and CU merged and you claimed we "weren't leftist enough" and that you were the true leftist party and that we're just a bunch of whiny moderate heroes? Now is when the hypocrisy of those statements is at its greatest. Find one inactive Progressive officeholder whose screwed up the passing of liberal legislation. (And don't even try Napoleon; he carpetbagged to our party after originally being a laborite.) The point is, you can't. You take two virtually identical senators, and you praise one and criticize the other. And for what reason? Because one apparently sides with you, trolls the Pacific, and operates under your little puppet party of NMAM, and that somehow makes this all okay. That makes missing 70% of the votes acceptable, in your world. You've always bragged that you have the highest levels of activity in the senate, (this is directed at TNF) but it makes no difference when you support inactive candidates. Especially when the senators you support miss votes; when they do that, they might as well vote no. And if they did vote no for every time they didn't vote, you'd call them reactionaries, fascists, members of the rich man's party. But all because Xahar is within a certain clique and he carries a red avatar, all of these things that he has done are excusable.

Merry Christmas btw

tl;dr

You think the fact that my response is long winded gives you the excuse not to answer, yet you have the audacity to call your opponent 'tl;dr Lumine?'

Senator TNF: A consistent voice for "liberty," but inconsistent in answering simple questions.

[Incipimus iterum]

Senator, this is the elephant in the room.  How do you explain your complete and total defense of Xahar, while at the same time utterly condemning Napoleon?  Are your actions and behaviors regarding these two individuals based on anything at all, other than your personal relationship with each of them?

[TNF]

'tl;dr Lumine?' You can't be serious! Remember this?

A dark day for the Republic.

Xahar prevented passage of the women's rights amendment and the abolition of conscription amendment, two landmark leftist pieces of legislation sponsored by the two of you. Yet you hold him up to the highest esteem and defend him as if he's been a glorious senator. Remember when Light and CU merged and you claimed we "weren't leftist enough" and that you were the true leftist party and that we're just a bunch of whiny moderate heroes? Now is when the hypocrisy of those statements is at its greatest. Find one inactive Progressive officeholder whose screwed up the passing of liberal legislation. (And don't even try Napoleon; he carpetbagged to our party after originally being a laborite.) The point is, you can't. You take two virtually identical senators, and you praise one and criticize the other. And for what reason? Because one apparently sides with you, trolls the Pacific, and operates under your little puppet party of NMAM, and that somehow makes this all okay. That makes missing 70% of the votes acceptable, in your world. You've always bragged that you have the highest levels of activity in the senate, (this is directed at TNF) but it makes no difference when you support inactive candidates. Especially when the senators you support miss votes; when they do that, they might as well vote no. And if they did vote no for every time they didn't vote, you'd call them reactionaries, fascists, members of the rich man's party. But all because Xahar is within a certain clique and he carries a red avatar, all of these things that he has done are excusable.

Merry Christmas btw

tl;dr

You think the fact that my response is long winded gives you the excuse not to answer, yet you have the audacity to call your opponent 'tl;dr Lumine?'

Senator TNF: A consistent voice for "liberty," but inconsistent in answering simple questions.

tl;dr

[MyRescueKittehRocks]

TNF, your views on Israel are extremely flawed. Israel has been the one acting in self-defense since May of 1948. When nearly every country in your region wants to drive you into the sea and have attempted to do so on numerous occasions, wouldn't you understand why the have to maintain the military that they do. The sanctions against Israel by the Atlasian government must end and we treat all countries as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and both Ron and Rand Paul and that is this. Peace, commerce and honest trade with all nations and entangling alliances with none. With that said, we should end all foreign aid by this government to even the playing field. Israel's enemies receive nearly ten times what Israel does in any sort of aid.

Black Friday is not a holiday. Forcing businesses to double pay on that day will hurt the economy.

Israel is a colonial state intent upon the conquest of and expansion into the Palestinian territories. I do not find it appropriate that the Republic of Atlasia should arm those who aim to wipe out those living in one region in order to confiscate their lands and set up prime real estate there. I am fully supportive of any and all means to end foreign aid and would only wish to see the Republic authorize such aid to help nations being attacked by other nations. Israel is under attack from no one and thus deserves not a single dime from the Republic of Atlasia, especially when it can afford its own defense.

Actually, Black Friday, at least in the context of Atlasia, is a holiday. President Nix made it so on September 7 with his signing of the Black Friday Means Black Friday Act of 2013. For the record, I don't give a damn about the increased costs some businesses may face as a result of that legislation. If it's going to cost them too much to stay open on Black Friday -- so be it. Either they'll pay their workers what they are worth or they'll give them the day off. It's a win-win situation for everyone but the greedy fat-cat employer, the only person with whom you seem to have sympathy.

You should give a care. It's not a holiday and that's that. The employer should win as well. We know you have no respect for the business owner given your socialist proclivities.

[TNF]

TNF, your views on Israel are extremely flawed. Israel has been the one acting in self-defense since May of 1948. When nearly every country in your region wants to drive you into the sea and have attempted to do so on numerous occasions, wouldn't you understand why the have to maintain the military that they do. The sanctions against Israel by the Atlasian government must end and we treat all countries as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and both Ron and Rand Paul and that is this. Peace, commerce and honest trade with all nations and entangling alliances with none. With that said, we should end all foreign aid by this government to even the playing field. Israel's enemies receive nearly ten times what Israel does in any sort of aid.

Black Friday is not a holiday. Forcing businesses to double pay on that day will hurt the economy.

Israel is a colonial state intent upon the conquest of and expansion into the Palestinian territories. I do not find it appropriate that the Republic of Atlasia should arm those who aim to wipe out those living in one region in order to confiscate their lands and set up prime real estate there. I am fully supportive of any and all means to end foreign aid and would only wish to see the Republic authorize such aid to help nations being attacked by other nations. Israel is under attack from no one and thus deserves not a single dime from the Republic of Atlasia, especially when it can afford its own defense.

Actually, Black Friday, at least in the context of Atlasia, is a holiday. President Nix made it so on September 7 with his signing of the Black Friday Means Black Friday Act of 2013. For the record, I don't give a damn about the increased costs some businesses may face as a result of that legislation. If it's going to cost them too much to stay open on Black Friday -- so be it. Either they'll pay their workers what they are worth or they'll give them the day off. It's a win-win situation for everyone but the greedy fat-cat employer, the only person with whom you seem to have sympathy.

You should give a care. It's not a holiday and that's that. The employer should win as well. We know you have no respect for the business owner given your socialist proclivities.

It is a holiday under the law of the Republic of Atlasia. Employees should always take precedence over employers in every instance. I am a proud socialist and make no bones about it.

[Spamage]

Thank you, Senator, for continuing to remind me why I'm supporting your opponent.

Not having support of the guy responsible for the death of the Pacific region is fine by me, fwiw.

Actually, I'm partially the reason there's any activity there today. When I arrived there in August 2012 (if you were even a member then) there was no elections, no legislature, and no activity. After my first term the region greatly improved and while there's been bumps in the road (largely due to your allies on whom you won't state your reason for continued irrational, blind defense) I still feel the region is in much better shape than if I hadn't joined at all.

Of course you and your Labor friends would know very little about innovation and activity. The Midwest was ruled by Labor for much of it's history and didn't begin to thaw from inactivity until a Federalist, Maxwell, took the executive office. A Federalist who you praised, I might add.

Maybe you should stop trying to shove your agenda down our throats and actually pay attention to the events not only in the Midwest, but the other regions as well. Your change over time is nothing but pure hypocrisy and if you truly wanted to be "a consistent voice for liberty" you'd take back several of your bills and fix your platform in a way that truly supports the idea.

I don't understand why you've always antagonized me TNF, but what I do know is that you have turned off one voter in perpetuity.

[DC Al Fine]

Senator, this is the elephant in the room.  How do you explain your complete and total defense of Xahar, while at the same time utterly condemning Napoleon?  Are your actions and behaviors regarding these two individuals based on anything at all, other than your personal relationship with each of them?

[Fritz]

Guys, I would appreciate it if everyone would stop empty-quoting me.  It is clear that the Senator has chosen not to answer my question, so lets all stop beating a dead horse.  If you feel that TNF must be asked these questions again, please put it in your own words.

[tmthforu94]

Guys, I would appreciate it if everyone would stop empty-quoting me.  It is clear that the Senator has chosen not to answer my question, so lets all stop beating a dead horse.  If you feel that TNF must be asked these questions again, please put it in your own words.

Sorry Fritz - I believe it was only done as a way to emphasize the point that Senator TNF is adamant about refusing to answer a question posed by constituents.

[Incipimus iterum]

Senator where do u stand on these bills

Enemy Of The People Bill

1. The Atlasian citizen known as 'Inks.LWC' is hereby declared to be An Enemy Of The People and an Unperson. Thereafter he shall be known as 'Unperson Inks'.

2. Unperson Inks is to be put on trial for Treason against the People within three days of his Unpersoning.

3. Unperson Inks is to be executed by firing squad.
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Sponsor: Sibboleth

Mideast Centres for Progressive Cultural Enlightenment and Re-Eduction Bill

1. Recognising the critical importance of loyalty to the principles of Cultural Marxism, it is proposed to re-educate members of criminal fraternities, political deviants, traitors, trotskyists, and telemarketers at officially established Centres for Progressive Cultural Enlightenment and Re-Education.

2. These Centres shall be run by a new state agency known as GULAG, the head of which shall be appointed by the Cultural Marxist Party of Atlasia's Director of Cultural Enlightenment.

3. GULAG will be entirely self-financing. This shall be guaranteed by giving GULAG the power of Eminent Domain over the properties of inmates in GULAG's educational facilities.

4. Official GULAG Centres for Progressive Cultural Enlightenment and Re-Education will be established in Menominee County, WI, Keeweenaw County, MI, in McDowell and Webster Counties, WV, and in Knott and Harlan Counties, KY.

5. The result will be a massive fall in anti-social behavior, all incurred at comparatively little cost to the taxpayers of Mideast Oblast. Establishment of GULAG centres will also create jobs in remote areas.
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Sponsor: Sibboleth

[PJ]

'tl;dr Lumine?' You can't be serious! Remember this?

A dark day for the Republic.

Xahar prevented passage of the women's rights amendment and the abolition of conscription amendment, two landmark leftist pieces of legislation sponsored by the two of you. Yet you hold him up to the highest esteem and defend him as if he's been a glorious senator. Remember when Light and CU merged and you claimed we "weren't leftist enough" and that you were the true leftist party and that we're just a bunch of whiny moderate heroes? Now is when the hypocrisy of those statements is at its greatest. Find one inactive Progressive officeholder whose screwed up the passing of liberal legislation. (And don't even try Napoleon; he carpetbagged to our party after originally being a laborite.) The point is, you can't. You take two virtually identical senators, and you praise one and criticize the other. And for what reason? Because one apparently sides with you, trolls the Pacific, and operates under your little puppet party of NMAM, and that somehow makes this all okay. That makes missing 70% of the votes acceptable, in your world. You've always bragged that you have the highest levels of activity in the senate, (this is directed at TNF) but it makes no difference when you support inactive candidates. Especially when the senators you support miss votes; when they do that, they might as well vote no. And if they did vote no for every time they didn't vote, you'd call them reactionaries, fascists, members of the rich man's party. But all because Xahar is within a certain clique and he carries a red avatar, all of these things that he has done are excusable.

Merry Christmas btw

tl;dr

You think the fact that my response is long winded gives you the excuse not to answer, yet you have the audacity to call your opponent 'tl;dr Lumine?'

Senator TNF: A consistent voice for "liberty," but inconsistent in answering simple questions.

tl;dr

Thank you for proving that you're a troll.

[Mechaman]

THis thread: tl;dr

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Endorsed,
I can sometimes disagree with you, but you're (one of) the most active senator and your loss would lead Atlasia to be less active. Activity is something I respect .

This, especially after the infamous consolidation debacle last session.  Activity matters!

[TNF]

While my opponent talks, I act. Today that is none more apparent in the passage of yet another progressive labor law, the Employer Non-Interference Act of 2013, which makes it easier for workers to organize unions. I ask the people of the Midwest and of Atlasia if they are willing to reject a Senator who proposes detailed and substantive legislative action in favor of non-controversial, "me too" legislation. If your answer is yes, vote for my opponent. He has never and will never introduce anything that might cause "partisanship" or "disunity" in the Senate.

But if you want a Senator who will fight for you and yours, if you want a Senator who doesn't give a f**k about preserving some kind of imaginary "bipartisan consensus" in order to make friends in an Internet game, then cast your vote for me. I will not be a "me too" Senator, like my opponent will if the Midwest makes the mistake of electing him to the Senate. I have not been a "me too" Senator and I will never be a "me too" Senator. A vote for TNF is a vote for activity and principle. A vote for Lumine is a vote for wishy-washy centrism and me-tooism.

What's it going to be, comrades?

[tmthforu94]

Senator, what would your response be to critics who say your only focus in the Senate is pushing your own legislation through and that you rarely contribute to anything else? Other than one far-left amendment, you haven't really commented much on the Duke Corporate Tax Reform Act of 2013. You haven't posted at all in the On Third Thought, We Do Have Expectations Amendment or the Healthcare Modernization Act. And your only contribution to the Pacific Emergency Stimulus was suggesting the Pacific should be merged with the Midwest, then later stating your agreement with a detailed statement made by Talleyrand and expressing your support for Oakvale. Your only contribution to the Let The Regions Get Their Highway Money Act was showing up to vote. Introducing multiple pieces of legislation is fine and dandy, but you seem to be doing very little in terms of actual debate.