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« on: April 23, 2013, 02:42:05 pm »

Q1 Do you approve or disapprove of President
Barack Obama’s job performance?

Approve .......................................................... 48%
Disapprove...................................................... 50%

Q4 If the candidates for President in 2016 were
Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Rand
Paul, who would you vote for?

Hillary Clinton.................................................. 48%
Rand Paul ....................................................... 45%

Q5 If the candidates for President in 2016 were
Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican
Marco Rubio, who would you vote for?

Hillary Clinton.................................................. 48%
Marco Rubio ................................................... 44%

Q6 If the candidates for President in 2016 were
Democrat John Hickenlooper and Republican
Rand Paul, who would you vote for?

John Hickenlooper .......................................... 47%
Rand Paul ....................................................... 45%

Q7 If the candidates for President in 2016 were
Democrat John Hickenlooper and Republican
Marco Rubio, who would you vote for?

John Hickenlooper .......................................... 47%
Marco Rubio ................................................... 45%

Q8 Do you think John Hickenlooper should run for
President in 2016, or not?

He should........................................................ 21%
He should not.................................................. 65%

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_CO_423.pdf
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2013, 02:45:10 pm »

Kentucky and Colorado are both toss-ups with Hillary?  Uh, alright..
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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2013, 02:47:35 pm »

Kentucky and Colorado are both toss-ups with Hillary?  Uh, alright..

It's the CLINTON's.

It's the 90s again.

The Clinton's never did well in CO for some reason, while doing well in KY.

The map with her would be totally different in these 2 places, even though I think CO would actually be won Obama-style in the end and KY would be ca. R+5
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2013, 02:49:05 pm »

Hillary just isn't as good a fit here as BHO is.
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« Reply #4 on: April 23, 2013, 02:57:11 pm »

Hillary isn't viewed to be quite as socially liberal as Obama was, and doesn't have quite as much strength with the base. It's not hard to see Rand or Christie making big inroads in the West if they played their cards right.
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« Reply #5 on: April 23, 2013, 03:12:05 pm »

Kentucky and Colorado are both toss-ups with Hillary?  Uh, alright..

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« Reply #6 on: April 23, 2013, 03:52:28 pm »

That's surprising. I knowm she's Clinton and obviously does better in the South than in the West. But, hey, I thought it wasn't '90s anymore.
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« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2013, 03:58:17 pm »

I find it quite surprising that only 7% would be undecided - this early seems so low.
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« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2013, 05:35:56 pm »

Bill Clinton won Colorado only once. Barack Obama is an unusually-good match for Colorado -- about as good a match for Colorado as he is a bad match for Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Tennessee, and West Virginia.   
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« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2013, 05:43:42 pm »

Yeah Hillary isn't a good match for the state, though I am a little surprised that Hick doesn't do any better. Especially against a supposedly unelectable Rand Paul.
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« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2013, 08:41:22 pm »

So in the last few months, PPP has given us Clinton vs. Rubio polls showing Clinton leading in Georgia by 3, Louisiana by 3, Kentucky by 6, but Colorado by only 4?  Are you ready for a retro-90s electoral map?
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« Reply #11 on: April 23, 2013, 08:49:43 pm »

Eh, Colorado is a flirt. It'll be back in the Democratic column next year, unless the Republican wins convincingly. Remember early in Obama's term when it was one of his worst states?
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« Reply #12 on: April 23, 2013, 08:50:34 pm »

Just like 4 years ago - some state results seem kind of funny when compared to one another. That being said, I'm surprised to see Democrats performing so poorly here - I thought this state was slowly drifting away for us.
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« Reply #13 on: April 23, 2013, 09:50:32 pm »

Just like 4 years ago - some state results seem kind of funny when compared to one another. That being said, I'm surprised to see Democrats performing so poorly here - I thought this state was slowly drifting away for us.

CO has enough of a libertarian streak that R's will always have an opening against a populist D.  Rubio being so far down in Florida is more bizarre IMO.
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« Reply #14 on: April 23, 2013, 11:14:04 pm »

Is that really struggling, though? Last year, Obama has a lot of narrow leads in Colorado polling, but still managed to win it. I think 45% is close to what Paul and Rubio's ceiling would be there.
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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2013, 11:17:38 pm »

Is that really struggling, though? Last year, Obama has a lot of narrow leads in Colorado polling, but still managed to win it. I think 45% is close to what Paul and Rubio's ceiling would be there.
There's a huge name recognition gap here which has caused Clinton to look unstoppable in 2016 - the fact that she is within the margin of error with the Republicans here should bring some concern to Democrats, though it is still very early.
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« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2013, 12:04:08 am »

Remember when SurveyUSA did their 50-state polling in March 2008 with Hillary vs. McCain and Obama vs. McCain (even then Hillary did relatively well in KY, not in this one but in other polls by SUSA from KY), while Obama did already as poorly as on election day or worse - The reverse was the case in CO with Obama doing well and Hillary not so much:

 
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« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2013, 12:11:37 am »

Thanks for the map. I guess this is based on these polls ?

I think that Hillary would have done better though in MO (winning by 3 or so), OH (winning by 10), AZ (within 3-5, but hard to say because of McCain's home state factor) than Obama.
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« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2013, 12:37:37 am »

Thanks for the map. I guess this is based on these polls ?

You tell me.  You posted it yourself four months ago.  Tongue

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=166156.msg3548738#msg3548738
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« Reply #20 on: April 24, 2013, 12:42:31 am »


Ahh, ok. Then it's a map of these poll charts ... Wink
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« Reply #21 on: April 24, 2013, 01:03:41 am »

This polls electorate is 81% white and last years exits had it at 78%. Considering the state's rising latino population that number should be 75% or so in 2016. Keep in mind it's a midterm electorate poll and the fact that an actual campaign could hurt Rubio with social libertarians in Colorado (and help him in KY, WV, AR, TN etc). I'd bank on CO being the near the national average again no matter who the nominees are in 2016.
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« Reply #22 on: April 24, 2013, 09:38:43 am »

Remember when SurveyUSA did their 50-state polling in March 2008 with Hillary vs. McCain and Obama vs. McCain (even then Hillary did relatively well in KY, not in this one but in other polls by SUSA from KY), while Obama did already as poorly as on election day or worse - The reverse was the case in CO with Obama doing well and Hillary not so much:

 

One could not have seen a significant difference between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in March 2008. Results of a Clinton-McCain election would have been close in electoral and popular  votes to what happened because of the economic meltdown late in the campaign season.
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« Reply #23 on: April 24, 2013, 10:42:48 am »

This polls electorate is 81% white and last years exits had it at 78%. Considering the state's rising latino population that number should be 75% or so in 2016. Keep in mind it's a midterm electorate poll and the fact that an actual campaign could hurt Rubio with social libertarians in Colorado (and help him in KY, WV, AR, TN etc). I'd bank on CO being the near the national average again no matter who the nominees are in 2016.

There is a "shy Democrat" factor in the SW to be sure.  Still, I think there is something to this.  Look at how the fis-con/soc-lib vote swung harder than the nation against Obama.  I suspect Hillary's impressive polling is due to a huge swing among Independent women.  In CO, this group is already quite D, so there isn't as much room left for her to improve.
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« Reply #24 on: April 24, 2013, 11:32:24 am »

There's a huge name recognition gap here which has caused Clinton to look unstoppable in 2016 - the fact that she is within the margin of error with the Republicans here should bring some concern to Democrats, though it is still very early.

I don't think the margin of error ever makes a huge difference difference here. Name recognition or not, Paul and Rubio are poor fits for Colorado, which is filled with moderates, so I doubt Hillary would lose it to either of them. At this point, most voters aren't even thinking about the race, but if it did come down to Hillary and either of these two Republicans, it's clear who would have the advantage.
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