Opinion of Memphis

[traininthedistance]

I'm not resenting or judging anybody. As I've said many times, if a guy wants to wear a dress and take hormones, it doesn't effect me or bother me. Full stop. However, I'm a bit of a stickler regarding baloney. I was the kid in 2nd grade jumping up and down insisting that Santa Claus was not real. The dress and the hormones do not magically turn a man into a woman even if they make him happy and he strongly wishes they would. I also rather resent King's comment. I am not currently dating any of the ladies pictured, but they are all beautiful inside and out.

The problem is less that you hold the views you do regarding trans people (at first blush, they'd strike me as well-intentioned but ignorant), the problem is that you utterly refuse to listen or learn from people who have actual experience and expertise in the matter.  And that is a problem.

Calling gender dysphoria "baloney" is simply an example of you falling prey to the Dunning-Kruger effect, rather than any sort of straight shooting (pun intended).

[Joe Republic]

So, are people not encouraged to point out the obvious any more then?  I mean, we've seen what happens whenever people do that for religious folk and so on, and I guess this is what got memphis his personal lynch mob to start with.  But are we all now to pretend Santa is real just to keep the delusional happy?

[Negusa Nagast 🚀]

Memphis seems to be confusing one's biological sex with gender; the latter of which is a social construction.

[opebo]

If he had a blue avatar he would have been bullied off the forum a long time ago, but the anti-intellectual left on here (Lief, Opebo, et al) tend to have a soft spot for fellow misogynist anti-thinkers.

Hah, you're really not thinking things through if you're not at least a practicing misogynist, Gustaf.  Similarly we can all 'understand' the mugger and understand that 'society made him that way', but we still watch our purses in the bad part of town.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Of course the immediate tendency for most people (particularly over a certain age) leans towards finding the whole trans thing as (at best) a bit weird; it runs very much against the way we're socialised from a very early age. But the same was true of homosexuality not so very long ago as well. Sometimes we have to revise our attitudes; fundamentally we are talking about a comparatively tiny group of people who are no threat to anyone (and not even, not really, to the various gender and sexual identities of the rest of us), and who are, fundamentally, real people with real feelings.

Or, rather:

Earlier this year a transgender teacher at a primary school in Lancashire killed herself after being persistently harassed by journalists; harassment that included a vicious verbal assault in a widely-read column in a national newspaper.

[Gustaf]

So, are people not encouraged to point out the obvious any more then?  I mean, we've seen what happens whenever people do that for religious folk and so on, and I guess this is what got memphis his personal lynch mob to start with.  But are we all now to pretend Santa is real just to keep the delusional happy?

I'm sure you know better than this Joe. Don't be an idiot.

[Eraserhead]

This is a bizarre thread.

[Gustaf]

The case Al mentioned is a pretty good example of why Memphis and his supporters are pretty horrible people.

But I guess in Memphis world view anyone who kills themselves after bullying is just too weak to deserve our sympathy anyway.

[opebo]

Of course the immediate tendency for most people (particularly over a certain age) leans towards finding the whole trans thing as (at best) a bit weird; it runs very much against the way we're socialised from a very early age. But the same was true of homosexuality not so very long ago as well. Sometimes we have to revise our attitudes; fundamentally we are talking about a comparatively tiny group of people who are no threat to anyone

Actually I'm totally comfortable with them, despite my advanced age, and even 'participate' with them once in a while.  They're great.  But they're not at all rare here.. maybe a few percent of the population (I guess 2-3%, more if you count Tomboys)

[MaxQue]

But I guess in Memphis world view anyone who kills themselves after bullying is just too weak to deserve our sympathy anyway.

No, it's their own fault, they just didn't had to dress up if they didn't wanted to be told the Truth, with a capital "T".

[free my dawg]

[opebo]

But I guess in Memphis world view anyone who kills themselves after bullying is just too weak to deserve our sympathy anyway.

No, it's their own fault, they just didn't had to dress up if they didn't wanted to told told the Truth, with a capital "T".

Here they feel free to behave as ladyboys from very early ages, even in the small villages and rural areas, however they can't really 'act out' much in terms of transvestitism at school (there are gender specific uniforms), but by their mid to late teen years they often do so in their free time.  

In every rural area and small town there are fully dressed up ladyboys to be seen running around the town pestering men, or chasing them late at night on motorbikes yelling 'Aiee!' in the campiest way imaginable. No one has anything against them and many men resort to them late at night due to inebriation and impecuniousness.  Everybody's happy.

[Joe Republic]

So, are people not encouraged to point out the obvious any more then?  I mean, we've seen what happens whenever people do that for religious folk and so on, and I guess this is what got memphis his personal lynch mob to start with.  But are we all now to pretend Santa is real just to keep the delusional happy?

I'm sure you know better than this Joe. Don't be an idiot.

What.  The hell.  Are you talking about?

This random unwarranted abuse is becoming harassment.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

So, are people not encouraged to point out the obvious any more then?  I mean, we've seen what happens whenever people do that for religious folk and so on, and I guess this is what got memphis his personal lynch mob to start with.  But are we all now to pretend Santa is real just to keep the delusional happy?

I'm sure you know better than this Joe. Don't be an idiot.

What.  The hell.  Are you talking about?

This random unwarranted abuse is becoming harassment.

I like Gustaf, but BRTD's posts about his pearl clutching seem true here.

[Gustaf]

So, are people not encouraged to point out the obvious any more then?  I mean, we've seen what happens whenever people do that for religious folk and so on, and I guess this is what got memphis his personal lynch mob to start with.  But are we all now to pretend Santa is real just to keep the delusional happy?

I'm sure you know better than this Joe. Don't be an idiot.

What.  The hell.  Are you talking about?

This random unwarranted abuse is becoming harassment.

I like Gustaf, but BRTD's posts about his pearl clutching seem true here.

Memphis wants to go after a small, vulnerable minority which is very prone to suicide. And he thinks that objecting to it is being stuck-up, prudish whatever. It's not. It's being a good person. And I'm surprised you take his side. What you're engaging in is equivalent to following the one black kid in school around saying "you're black, you're black, you're black" and then going "what, it's true, isn't it?"

To anyone who has any understanding of humanity that's stupid BS. You have to be a pre-teen, and a pretty stupid one at that, not to get why such behaviour is morally abhorrent.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Sometimes we have to revise our attitudes

Myself very much included, I should add.

[memphis]

The case Al mentioned is a pretty good example of why Memphis and his supporters are pretty horrible people.

But I guess in Memphis world view anyone who kills themselves after bullying is just too weak to deserve our sympathy anyway.

You guys have made up so many positions for me lately that it's hard to keep them all straight. I'll have to check with the mob and get back to you.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

So, are people not encouraged to point out the obvious any more then?  I mean, we've seen what happens whenever people do that for religious folk and so on, and I guess this is what got memphis his personal lynch mob to start with.  But are we all now to pretend Santa is real just to keep the delusional happy?

I'm sure you know better than this Joe. Don't be an idiot.

Actually, the fact that Joe is content to write off anybody who subscribes to notions that don't fit into a strict 'A=A' rationalist Wittgensteinian [VIENNA CIRCLE-ESQUE. My sincere thanks to Linus Van Pelt for pointing out that this adjective needed to be changed] episteme as 'delusional' and leave it at that is one that he's demonstrated many times.

The case Al mentioned is a pretty good example of why Memphis and his supporters are pretty horrible people.

But I guess in Memphis world view anyone who kills themselves after bullying is just too weak to deserve our sympathy anyway.

You guys have made up so many positions for me lately that it's hard to keep them all straight. I'll have to check with the mob and get back to you.

Not every bias that we have or assumption that we betray is an explicit 'position' of the sort that one can fit into a political manifesto or philosophical tractate. Surely you know at least that much?

[memphis]

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I'm sure you know better than this Joe. Don't be an idiot.
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Actually, the fact that Joe is content to write off anybody who subscribes to notions that don't fit into a strict 'A=A' rationalist Wittgensteinian episteme as 'delusional' and leave it at that is one that he's demonstrated many times.

The case Al mentioned is a pretty good example of why Memphis and his supporters are pretty horrible people.

But I guess in Memphis world view anyone who kills themselves after bullying is just too weak to deserve our sympathy anyway.

You guys have made up so many positions for me lately that it's hard to keep them all straight. I'll have to check with the mob and get back to you.

Not every bias that we have or assumption that we betray is an explicit 'position' of the sort that one can fit into a political manifesto or philosophical tractate. Surely you know at least that much?
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That makes two people who've taken it upon themselves to make the supremely defamatory suggestion that I want people to kill themselves. Any others? Perhaps someone should go for the Full Godwin and declare me pro-Holocaust. It'd be such a shame to waste all that perfectly good demonization

[Gustaf]

Well, in this case Memphis has been very adamant that people can't get emotionally hurt by bigotry and suggesting they might is just condescending sexism. I seem to recall the word 'weak' being bandied around.

[Gustaf]

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I'm sure you know better than this Joe. Don't be an idiot.

Actually, the fact that Joe is content to write off anybody who subscribes to notions that don't fit into a strict 'A=A' rationalist Wittgensteinian episteme as 'delusional' and leave it at that is one that he's demonstrated many times.

The case Al mentioned is a pretty good example of why Memphis and his supporters are pretty horrible people.

But I guess in Memphis world view anyone who kills themselves after bullying is just too weak to deserve our sympathy anyway.

You guys have made up so many positions for me lately that it's hard to keep them all straight. I'll have to check with the mob and get back to you.

Not every bias that we have or assumption that we betray is an explicit 'position' of the sort that one can fit into a political manifesto or philosophical tractate. Surely you know at least that much?
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That makes two people who've taken it upon themselves to make the supremely defamatory suggestion that I want people to kill themselves. Any others? Perhaps someone should go for the Full Godwin and declare me pro-Holocaust. It'd be such a shame to waste all that perfectly good demonization
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That's not what I suggested. What I do think is that you don't care about people you don't understand and that you're willing to see them hurt and bullied to whatever extreme since that's life and people should be able to take a joke. And, yeah, if your insistence that a transvestite is not a real woman drove such a person to suicide I'm not convinced you'd feel any remorse or guilt over it. Would you? 

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

So, are people not encouraged to point out the obvious any more then?  I mean, we've seen what happens whenever people do that for religious folk and so on, and I guess this is what got memphis his personal lynch mob to start with.  But are we all now to pretend Santa is real just to keep the delusional happy?

I'm sure you know better than this Joe. Don't be an idiot.

Actually, the fact that Joe is content to write off anybody who subscribes to notions that don't fit into a strict 'A=A' rationalist Wittgensteinian episteme as 'delusional' and leave it at that is one that he's demonstrated many times.

The case Al mentioned is a pretty good example of why Memphis and his supporters are pretty horrible people.

But I guess in Memphis world view anyone who kills themselves after bullying is just too weak to deserve our sympathy anyway.

You guys have made up so many positions for me lately that it's hard to keep them all straight. I'll have to check with the mob and get back to you.

Not every bias that we have or assumption that we betray is an explicit 'position' of the sort that one can fit into a political manifesto or philosophical tractate. Surely you know at least that much?

That makes two people who've taken it upon themselves to make the supremely defamatory suggestion that I want people to kill themselves. Any others? Perhaps someone should go for the Full Godwin and declare me pro-Holocaust. It'd be such a shame to waste all that perfectly good demonization

That isn't actually even close to what I said or meant, as you'd know if you weren't so in love with the idea of yourself as a victim. I notice that you have interpolated the word 'inflammatory' into the URL of my post and messed up the coding. I've taken the liberty of removing it and trying to fix the coding. I hope you don't mind.

[memphis]

So, are people not encouraged to point out the obvious any more then?  I mean, we've seen what happens whenever people do that for religious folk and so on, and I guess this is what got memphis his personal lynch mob to start with.  But are we all now to pretend Santa is real just to keep the delusional happy?

I'm sure you know better than this Joe. Don't be an idiot.

Actually, the fact that Joe is content to write off anybody who subscribes to notions that don't fit into a strict 'A=A' rationalist Wittgensteinian episteme as 'delusional' and leave it at that is one that he's demonstrated many times.

The case Al mentioned is a pretty good example of why Memphis and his supporters are pretty horrible people.

But I guess in Memphis world view anyone who kills themselves after bullying is just too weak to deserve our sympathy anyway.

You guys have made up so many positions for me lately that it's hard to keep them all straight. I'll have to check with the mob and get back to you.

Not every bias that we have or assumption that we betray is an explicit 'position' of the sort that one can fit into a political manifesto or philosophical tractate. Surely you know at least that much?

That makes two people who've taken it upon themselves to make the supremely defamatory suggestion that I want people to kill themselves. Any others? Perhaps someone should go for the Full Godwin and declare me pro-Holocaust. It'd be such a shame to waste all that perfectly good demonization

That isn't actually even close to what I said or meant, as you'd know if you weren't so in love with the idea of yourself as a victim. I notice that you have interpolated the word 'inflammatory' into the URL of my post and messed up the coding. I've taken the liberty of removing it and trying to fix the coding. I hope you don't mind.

I'm posting from a PITA mobile. Any such coding is not deliberate. And you have made yourself far more of a victim thanI have. So much so that it is a core part of your identity. I merely ask not have false and vindictive positions thrust upon me. I don't think that is too much to ask.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Don't tell me about my identity.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I don't think he's a bad guy at all. As someone who in the past said inappropriate things, when I was young and stupid, it happens. I think he has some growing up to do and lacks compassion for people, especially women, but that will come in time, when he finds love. I never really grew up until I feel in love with a girl and learned so much about not only myself, but life in general. I will never forget her and what she meant to me and my life. She changed me for the better.