SC-1 special election - May 7th

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

http://www.redracinghorses.com/diary/3085/rrhpmi-sc1-poll


Tied at 46.

Krazen, a little advice: don't be that guy who cherry-picks polls.

I had a friend like you: staunchly conservative, and very "in-your-face" about it (not that there's anything wrong with that). Whenever races come around, he tended to pick and choose which polls were right. He wrote off the classic examples of polls that were proven to be accurate (PPP, Quinnipiac, just to name a few) to go with a few obscure firms (mostly Republican shill firms like Gravis Marketing and a few other GOP-commissioned polls) and Rasmussen (using outdated data that said they were the most accurate). He even cries liberal bias when confronted with evidence from FiveThirtyEight.

Needless to say, he ended up looking foolish after everything was said and done. This poll is inside the realm of possibility (after all, this is South Carolina, and ECB looked shaky in the debates), but I'd say this race leans Democratic after Sanford's implosion.

[DrScholl]

That poll has Colbert Busch up double digits in Beaufort County, which indicates that Sanford is in a very tough position. A mere tie in a Republican poll is not great news for Sanford at all.

[Mehmentum]

You know you're in a good position when krazen is desperately arguing for the validity of a tied poll.

[BigSkyBob]

http://www.redracinghorses.com/diary/3085/rrhpmi-sc1-poll


Tied at 46.

Krazen, a little advice: don't be that guy who cherry-picks polls.

There simply isn't anything wrong with posting the latest poll on the race. I'm sure that if a new poll showed the liberal Democrat to be in the lead numerous posters here would have posted it already. Somehow those same posters didn't see it fit to post this poll. It is almost as there was a sort of see no evil Republican, hear no evil Republican, speak no evil Republican conspiracy of silence which Krazen had the audacity to violate. Chiding Krazen for posting a RRH poll when he is the only one posting it, while not posting the latest PPP poll when dozens of other posters here are apt to post it promptly seems a tad bit disingenious. Surely, the folks here are grateful the whole spectrum of polls are posted here, and, Krazen is to be commended for posting polls some here might not find posted at their preferred websites. Right?

[BigSkyBob]

You know you're in a good position when krazen is desperately arguing for the validity of a tied poll.

You know who is in a good position? Mark Sanford. You know who is not in a good position? The RNCC. The RNCC refused to spend a single dime in attempting to win this race. If Sanford wins, or loses in a close race the RNCC will have egg on its face yet again. The refusal of national party to meaningfully support the nominee of the Republican electorate in a reasonably close race will be an eye-opener to rank-and-file Republicans. Hopefully, Sanford will be able to ride the backlash against the Republican establishment.

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

You know you're in a good position when krazen is desperately arguing for the validity of a tied poll.

You know who is in a good position? Mark Sanford. You know who is not in a good position? The RNCC. The RNCC refused to spend a single dime in attempting to win this race. If Sanford wins, or loses in a close race the RNCC will have egg on its face yet again. The refusal of national party to meaningfully support the nominee of the Republican electorate in a reasonably close race will be an eye-opener to rank-and-file Republicans. Hopefully, Sanford will be able to ride the backlash against the Republican establishment.

Okay, the Republican Establishment has officially ceased to be a meaningful term and become whatever people like you feel like it means and whoever you happen to dislike.

Mark Sanford spent several years in Congress in the 1990s. He was a governor for two terms. At one point he was considered potential presidential candidate material. He is not an outsider. How is he not part of the Republican establishment?

The RNC isn't withholding support because he's not "establishment" enough. They're withholding support because he's a liar and an embarrassment. The Republican primary voters in SC-1 should be ashamed of themselves for nominating him. They don't have an inalienable right to the national party's money going to such a trainwreck of a politician.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Someone is making push poll calls against Colbert Busch. This is nothing but desperation.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/05/01/1945751/south-carolina-push-poll/?mobile=nc

That is nothing but South Carolina politics as usual.

http://www.redracinghorses.com/diary/3085/rrhpmi-sc1-poll


Tied at 46.

I note with interest that they appear to have used Dave's Redistricting App to make their map.  Also they did a Grooms v. Colbert Busch matchup for 2014 that has Grooms smashing thru to victory 47-40.  If Sanford hadn't lucked out and gotten to face Bostic in the runoff, the SCGOP would not be in the mess it is now in the 1st district.

[BigSkyBob]

You know you're in a good position when krazen is desperately arguing for the validity of a tied poll.

You know who is in a good position? Mark Sanford. You know who is not in a good position? The RNCC. The RNCC refused to spend a single dime in attempting to win this race. If Sanford wins, or loses in a close race the RNCC will have egg on its face yet again. The refusal of national party to meaningfully support the nominee of the Republican electorate in a reasonably close race will be an eye-opener to rank-and-file Republicans. Hopefully, Sanford will be able to ride the backlash against the Republican establishment.

Okay, the Republican Establishment has officially ceased to be a meaningful term and become whatever people like you feel like it means and whoever you happen to dislike.

Mark Sanford spent several years in Congress in the 1990s. He was a governor for two terms. At one point he was considered potential presidential candidate material. He is not an outsider. How is he not part of the Republican establishment?

The RNC isn't withholding support because he's not "establishment" enough. They're withholding support because he's a liar and an embarrassment. The Republican primary voters in SC-1 should be ashamed of themselves for nominating him. They don't have an inalienable right to the national party's money going to such a trainwreck of a politician.

Mark Sanford embraces the absurdities of Alice Rosenbaum.  In her Rand novels Rosenbaum denounced the system of political lobbying as deeply corrupt. In that regard she was exactly right. The Republican establishment is part and parcel of that system. They simply don't another firebrand  like DeMint or Paul.

In her personal life, Rosenbaum had an affair with the husband of a young admirer. She didn't cheat. She summoned her husband, and the young couple and announced her intention to sleep with the young man. Oddly, Sanford emulated her in his personal life. His ex-wife was clear in noting he explicitly refused to pledge fidelity to her.

The real cheat and liar was Bill Clinton. When his promiscuity was exposed in the press he went on national TV and falsely claimed to be contrite and reformed. He didn't just lie to his wife, but, the entire American people. That didn't stop nearly half of the people from voting to reelect him. Should the American people feel ashamed for reelecting a liar and cheat? Perhaps.

Anyway, I don't remember reading your denunciations of Bill Clinton. IMO, your remarks reek of insincerity and partisan hypocrisy. I could be wrong, but, I strongly doubt it.

[SUSAN CRUSHBONE]

http://www.redracinghorses.com/diary/3085/rrhpmi-sc1-poll


Tied at 46.

List provided by Gravis Marketing.

How was their performance last year? Gold standard-ish?

Gravis Marketing provided a list of phone numbers.

iow, they picked the sample. Come on, dude.

The real cheat and liar was Bill Clinton. […]
Anyway, I don't remember reading your denunciations of Bill Clinton. IMO, your remarks reek of insincerity and partisan hypocrisy. I could be wrong, but, I strongly doubt it.

For the millionth time, Clinton didn't goddamn disappear from his job for several days.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Mark Sanford embraces the absurdities of Alice Rosenbaum.  In her Rand novels Rosenbaum denounced the system of political lobbying as deeply corrupt. In that regard she was exactly right. The Republican establishment is part and parcel of that system. They simply don't another firebrand  like DeMint or Paul.

In her personal life, Rosenbaum had an affair with the husband of a young admirer. She didn't cheat. She summoned her husband, and the young couple and announced her intention to sleep with the young man. Oddly, Sanford emulated her in his personal life. His ex-wife was clear in noting he explicitly refused to pledge fidelity to her.

Jenny was as shocked and surprised as anyone when she learned the Appalachian Trail went through Argentina.  Mark Sanford is certainly not an Alice Rosenbaum.

[Miles]

In RRH's defense, their LA-03 poll was 51-33 Boustany, which lined up quite nicely with the result.

[BigSkyBob]

http://www.redracinghorses.com/diary/3085/rrhpmi-sc1-poll


Tied at 46.

List provided by Gravis Marketing.

How was their performance last year? Gold standard-ish?

Gravis Marketing provided a list of phone numbers.

iow, they picked the sample. Come on, dude.

The real cheat and liar was Bill Clinton. […]
Anyway, I don't remember reading your denunciations of Bill Clinton. IMO, your remarks reek of insincerity and partisan hypocrisy. I could be wrong, but, I strongly doubt it.

For the millionth time, Clinton didn't goddamn disappear from his job for several days.

Um, "dissappearing from [a] job for several days" is neither an example of being a "liar" or a "cheater."

If you want to raise that issue my reply is simply, "Yawn!"

[Benj]

In RRH's defense, their LA-03 poll was 51-33 Boustany, which lined up quite nicely with the result.

Comparing a Republican website's poll in an RvR race to one in a DvR race is obviously unhelpful.

[Mehmentum]

http://www.redracinghorses.com/diary/3085/rrhpmi-sc1-poll


Tied at 46.

List provided by Gravis Marketing.

How was their performance last year? Gold standard-ish?

Gravis Marketing provided a list of phone numbers.

iow, they picked the sample. Come on, dude.

The real cheat and liar was Bill Clinton. […]
Anyway, I don't remember reading your denunciations of Bill Clinton. IMO, your remarks reek of insincerity and partisan hypocrisy. I could be wrong, but, I strongly doubt it.

For the millionth time, Clinton didn't goddamn disappear from his job for several days.

Um, "dissappearing from [a] job for several days" is neither an example of being a "liar" or a "cheater."

If you want to raise that issue my reply is simply, "Yawn!"

Well it literally makes him both.  He told no one where he actually was and gave no way to contact him.  What if an emergency had happened?  What if there was a natural disaster or a shooting or something equally horrible?

[BigSkyBob]

http://www.redracinghorses.com/diary/3085/rrhpmi-sc1-poll


Tied at 46.

List provided by Gravis Marketing.

How was their performance last year? Gold standard-ish?

Gravis Marketing provided a list of phone numbers.

iow, they picked the sample. Come on, dude.

The real cheat and liar was Bill Clinton. […]
Anyway, I don't remember reading your denunciations of Bill Clinton. IMO, your remarks reek of insincerity and partisan hypocrisy. I could be wrong, but, I strongly doubt it.

For the millionth time, Clinton didn't goddamn disappear from his job for several days.

Um, "dissappearing from [a] job for several days" is neither an example of being a "liar" or a "cheater."

If you want to raise that issue my reply is simply, "Yawn!"

Well it literally makes him both.  He told no one where he actually was and gave no way to contact him.  What if an emergency had happened?  What if there was a natural disaster or a shooting or something equally horrible?

This is merely an example of the political class' sense of its own importance.

What I find quite bizarre is your failure to understand that if an earthquake struck South Carolina the news would travel immediately to Argentina.  Also, there is this thing called the internet. On the internet there is thing called "e-mail." Surely, you are aware the technology called "the telephone"  and its most recent form "the cellphone."

Sure, he would have to react to any such situation from abroad. Then, again, large blocks of Congress had historically taken long foreign trips to warm countries during the depth of winter.

[BigSkyBob]

Mark Sanford embraces the absurdities of Alice Rosenbaum.  In her Rand novels Rosenbaum denounced the system of political lobbying as deeply corrupt. In that regard she was exactly right. The Republican establishment is part and parcel of that system. They simply don't another firebrand  like DeMint or Paul.

In her personal life, Rosenbaum had an affair with the husband of a young admirer. She didn't cheat. She summoned her husband, and the young couple and announced her intention to sleep with the young man. Oddly, Sanford emulated her in his personal life. His ex-wife was clear in noting he explicitly refused to pledge fidelity to her.

Jenny was as shocked and surprised as anyone when she learned the Appalachian Trail went through Argentina.  Mark Sanford is certainly not an Alice Rosenbaum.

http://www.alan.com/2010/02/03/jenny-sanford-mark-wouldnt-promise-fidelity-in-wedding-vows/

As you can read for yourself I was exactly right.

Mark and Jenny Sanford had what was an explicitly stated "open" marriage. Bill and Hilliary had an "open" marriage based on his "lying" and his "cheating."  Which was and is really worse?

[Miles]

In RRH's defense, their LA-03 poll was 51-33 Boustany, which lined up quite nicely with the result.

Comparing a Republican website's poll in an RvR race to one in a DvR race is obviously unhelpful.

It was still obviously spot-on

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Mark Sanford embraces the absurdities of Alice Rosenbaum.  In her Rand novels Rosenbaum denounced the system of political lobbying as deeply corrupt. In that regard she was exactly right. The Republican establishment is part and parcel of that system. They simply don't another firebrand  like DeMint or Paul.

In her personal life, Rosenbaum had an affair with the husband of a young admirer. She didn't cheat. She summoned her husband, and the young couple and announced her intention to sleep with the young man. Oddly, Sanford emulated her in his personal life. His ex-wife was clear in noting he explicitly refused to pledge fidelity to her.

Jenny was as shocked and surprised as anyone when she learned the Appalachian Trail went through Argentina.  Mark Sanford is certainly not an Alice Rosenbaum.

http://www.alan.com/2010/02/03/jenny-sanford-mark-wouldnt-promise-fidelity-in-wedding-vows/

As you can read for yourself I was exactly right.

Since you like reading:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jenny-sanford-tells-vogue-mark-sanfords-affair-shocked/story?id=8348720

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http://abcnews.go.com/2020/TheLaw/jenny-sanford-granted-divorce-gov-mark-sanford/story?id=9955400

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What is clear is that Mark did his best to hide the fact that he was having an affair and lied and cheated to continue it without his wife's knowledge after Jenny found out about it.  The Republicans do not need SC-1 in this Congress as win or lose they will be in control of the House regardless.  The best thing for the GOP at this point would be for Colbert Busch to win the special election and then get a more honest Republican to win it back in 2014.

[BigSkyBob]

Mark Sanford embraces the absurdities of Alice Rosenbaum.  In her Rand novels Rosenbaum denounced the system of political lobbying as deeply corrupt. In that regard she was exactly right. The Republican establishment is part and parcel of that system. They simply don't another firebrand  like DeMint or Paul.

In her personal life, Rosenbaum had an affair with the husband of a young admirer. She didn't cheat. She summoned her husband, and the young couple and announced her intention to sleep with the young man. Oddly, Sanford emulated her in his personal life. His ex-wife was clear in noting he explicitly refused to pledge fidelity to her.

Jenny was as shocked and surprised as anyone when she learned the Appalachian Trail went through Argentina.  Mark Sanford is certainly not an Alice Rosenbaum.

http://www.alan.com/2010/02/03/jenny-sanford-mark-wouldnt-promise-fidelity-in-wedding-vows/

As you can read for yourself I was exactly right.

Since you like reading:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jenny-sanford-tells-vogue-mark-sanfords-affair-shocked/story?id=8348720

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http://abcnews.go.com/2020/TheLaw/jenny-sanford-granted-divorce-gov-mark-sanford/story?id=9955400

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What is clear is that Mark did his best to hide the fact that he was having an affair and lied and cheated to continue it without his wife's knowledge after Jenny found out about it.  The Republicans do not need SC-1 in this Congress as win or lose they will be in control of the House regardless.  The best thing for the GOP at this point would be for Colbert Busch to win the special election and then get a more honest Republican to win it back in 2014.

Again, I wrote, "His ex-wife was clear in noting he explicitly refused to pledge fidelity to her.," which was exactly right.

http://www.today.com/id/35205086/ns/today-books/t/jenny-sanford-husband-asked-affair-advice/


Whether this a refreshing change to Bill Clinton prattling on about how "he has caused pain in his marriage" and promising to do better when he had no intention whatsoever of being faithful, or shows social deficiencies I leave for the reader to decide.

[Niemeyerite]

Hillary and Bill are still together. Mark and Jenny aren't. Do you really believe the first has damaged his marriage more? LoL.

[Keystone Phil]

Hillary and Bill are still together. Mark and Jenny aren't. Do you really believe the first has damaged his marriage more? LoL.

Uh...with all due respect, plenty of people think Hillary and Bill stayed together for different reasons, too. Not to say they don't still love each other. Jenny didn't care about political advantages to staying with her husband (even if there were advantages which there clearly weren't).

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Hillary and Bill are still together. Mark and Jenny aren't. Do you really believe the first has damaged his marriage more? LoL.

Uh...with all due respect, plenty of people think Hillary and Bill stayed together for different reasons, too. Not to say they don't still love each other. Jenny didn't care about political advantages to staying with her husband (even if there were advantages which there clearly weren't).

Actually, based on what happened, I think that if Mark had been able to stay away from Maria after he had been found out, Jenny would have stayed with Mark.  However, it wasn't a case of Jenny leaving Mark.  It was Mark who left Jenny.

[Niemeyerite]

Hillary and Bill are still together. Mark and Jenny aren't. Do you really believe the first has damaged his marriage more? LoL.

Uh...with all due respect, plenty of people think Hillary and Bill stayed together for different reasons, too. Not to say they don't still love each other. Jenny didn't care about political advantages to staying with her husband (even if there were advantages which there clearly weren't).

That means that Clinton's marriage is not based on love, which is more common than we think. But Jenny seemed to love Mark hahaha

[Landslide Lyndon]

The Boob is back I see. Thank God because the level of absurdity and non-sequitur posts had fallen dangerously.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

I honestly can't be arsed to read any of Booby's posts. Sounds like a desperate, rambling cry for attention to me.