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« Reply #75 on: October 31, 2003, 01:26:40 PM »

MISSOURI (9)
1. St. Louis
2. West St. Louis
3. South St. Louis
4. McNair (MO governor who designated Jefferson City as state capital)
5. Kansas City
6. Chillicothe
7. Greene-Jasper and Newton
8. Scott
9. Twain (19th Century American writer, apparently born in the area)

MONTANA (1)
1. Montana

NEBRASKA (3)
1. Butler (1st NE state governor)
2. Omaha
3. Platte

NEVADA (3)
1. Las Vegas
2. Nye (Former NV territorial governor)
3. South Las Vegas

NEW HAMPSHIRE (2)
1. Manchester
2. Concord-Granite
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« Reply #76 on: October 31, 2003, 01:27:04 PM »

NEW JERSEY (13)
1. Camden
2. Atlantic
3. Burlington
4. Trenton-Ocean
5. Bergenfield and Sussex
6. Monmouth-Somerset
7. Union-Somerset
8. Passaic
9. Bergen
10. Newark-Union
11. Morris
12. Trenton-Mercer
13. Newark-Bayonne

NEW MEXICO (3)
1. Albuquerque
2. Rio Grande
3. Santa Fe
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« Reply #77 on: October 31, 2003, 01:27:31 PM »

NEW YORK (29)
1. Long Island
2. Suffolk
3. East Nassau
4. South Nassau
5. Queens-Nassau
6. Southeast Queens
7. La Guardia
8. Holland-Brooklyn
9. Jamaica Bay
10. Brooklyn-Bays (i.e. Upper Bay & Jamaica Bay)
11. Central Brooklyn
12. Upper Bay-Bridges
13. Staten Island-Verrazano
14. East River
15. Harlem
16. South Bronx
17. Bronx-Rockland
18. Westchester-Rochelle
19. Hudson
20. Saratoga
21. Albany
22. Catskill
23. Adirondack
24. Finger Lakes
25. Syracuse
26. Roosevelt
27. Buffalo
28. Niagara-Rochester
29. Clinton and Jay (The two first NY state governors, late 18th Century)
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« Reply #78 on: October 31, 2003, 01:28:08 PM »

NORTH CAROLINA (13)
1. Roanoke Rapids
2. Raleigh-Johnson (Andrew Johnson, 17th US president)
3. Dare (Virginia Dare, first baby of European origin to be born in America)
4. Durham
5. Blue Ridge
6. Randolph-Moore
7. Cape Fear
8. Morrow
9. Andrew Jackson (7th US president)
10. Dudley (1st NC elected state governor)
11. Walton Fields
12. Charlotte-Polk
13. Raleigh-Greensboro

NORTH DAKOTA (1)
1. Dakota

OHIO (18)
1. Cincinnati
2. Belle River (inspired by the former French name of the Ohio river: Belle rivière)
3. Dayton
4. Harding (former US president born in the area)
5. Bowling Green
6. Grant (Ulysse S. Grant, US president)
7. Clark-Pickaway-Perry
8. Butler-Preble
9. Toledo
10. Cuyahoga
11. Cleveland
12. Colombus-Hayes (Rutherford B. Hayes, US president born in the area)
13. Akron-Lorain
14. Ashtabula
15. Colombus-Franklin
16. Ashland-Stark
17. Portage-Youngstown
18. Harrison (Named after former US president William H. Harrison)
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« Reply #79 on: October 31, 2003, 01:28:40 PM »

OKLAHOMA (5)
1. Tulsa
2. Wachita (Mountains located in the area)
3. Cimmaron (River located in the area)
4. Midwest-Comanche
5. Oklahoma-Shawnee

OREGON (5)
1. Portland-Clatsop
2. Trail (i.e., Oregon Trail)
3. Multnomah
4. Lane and Douglas
5. Whitaker (1st OR state governor)

PENNSYLVANIA (19)
1. Philadelphia
2. North Philadelphia
3. Erie
4. Allegheny
5. West Susquehanna
6. Chester-Berks
7. Chester
8. Bucks
9. Tuscarora
10. East Susquehanna
11. Wilkes-Barre
12. Geary (former PA state governor, born in the area)
13. Philadelphia-Mifflin (Mifflin, 1st PA state governor)
14. Pittsburgh
15. Allentown
16. West Chester
17. Harrisburg
18. Westmoreland
19. Gettysburg

RHODE ISLAND (2)
1. Providence-Newport
2. Providence Plantations (from the former colonial name of the state “Rhode Island & Providence Plantations)
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« Reply #80 on: October 31, 2003, 01:29:01 PM »

SOUTH CAROLINA (6)
1. Charleston-Sumter
2. King Charles (England King Charles II, granted the Carolina territories to Lord proprietors)
3. Anderson-Greenwood
4. Greenville-Spartanburg
5. Rock Hill
6. Florence-Orangeburg

SOUTH DAKOTA (1)
1. Rushmore

TENNESSEE (9)
1. Smokey Mountains
2. Knoxville
3. Chattanooga-Oak Ridge
4. Blount (1st and only TN territorial governor) or Upper Tennessee
5. Nashville
6. Sevier (1st TN state governor)
7. Henderson and Williamson
8. Lower Tennessee
9. Memphis
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« Reply #81 on: October 31, 2003, 01:29:36 PM »

TEXAS (32)
1. Texarkana
2. Huntsville
3. Collin
4. Gregg-Cooke and Grayson
5. Dallas-Anderson
6. Tarrant-Ellis
7. West Harris
8. North Harris
9. Beaumont-Galveston
10. Austin
11. Bell-McLennan
12. Tarrant-Parker
13. Red River
14. Henry Smith (1st American governor of TX)
15. Mission
16. El Paso
17. Abilene
18. Houston
19. Lubbock-Midland
20. San Antonio
21. Travis
22. Brazoria
23. Del Rio
24. Dallas-Fort Worth
25. South Harris
26. Denton
27. Cameron and Nueces
28. Hogg (1st native born TX state governor
29. Houston-Harris
30. Dallas
31. Brazos-Waller-Williamson
32. North Dallas

UTAH (3)
1. Salt Lake
2. Uintah-Wasatch (Indian tribes who live in the area)
3. Young

VERMONT (1)
1. Champlain
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« Reply #82 on: October 31, 2003, 01:30:09 PM »

VIRGINIA (11)
1. Fredericksburg and Jamestown
2. Queen Elizabeth (Elizabeth I, who inspired the name “Virginia”)
3. Richmond-Norfolk
4. Suffolk-Chesapeake
5. Pocahontas
6. Roanoke-Wilson
7. Richmond-Poe
8. Arlington
9. Appalachians
10. Loudoun
11. Fairfax

WASHINGTON (9)
1. Seattle-Puget
2. Straits
3. Olympia-Vancouver
4. Yakima
5. Columbia River
6. Tacoma-Harbours
7. Seattle
8. King-Pierce
9. Olympia-Pierce

WEST VIRGINIA (3)
1. Boreman (1st WV state governor)
2. Lederer (1st European to explore WV)
3. Coal Mountains

WISCONSIN (Cool
1. Milwaukee-Racine
2. Madison
3. Eau Claire-La Crosse
4. Milwaukee
5. Milwaukee-Waukesha
6. Dodge-Fond du Lac
7. La Folette (1st WI born state governor)
8. Green Bay

WYOMING (1)
1. Yellowstone
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« Reply #83 on: October 31, 2003, 02:27:04 PM »

There has been speculation by Dick Morris and others that Al Sharpton will run as an independent, but the topic hasn't been talked about much since.

But checking out what Al has been up to lately, one has to wonder what he is up to.

Al attacked Jesse Jackson Jr for his endorsement of Dean.  Now he is calling black supporters of white candidates "Uncle Toms" while receiving standing ovations.

http://msnbc.com/news/952445.asp?0cv=CB20

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« Reply #84 on: October 31, 2003, 03:52:08 PM »

I've just voted in the poll to support Michael Portillo. A man of such erudition and electoral saavy would make an excellent leader and a better PM than Phoney Tony Blair. The only person I would even consider as a better PM in 2005 would be Charles Kennedy.
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« Reply #85 on: October 31, 2003, 03:54:49 PM »

I doubt Sharpton would run as an independent, but, who knows?  He would run for anything-I think he ran for Mayor of the city a few times.  Personally-I just think he is in there for the fun of it.

Sharpton's a jerk, but you can't tell me that he isn't funny.
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« Reply #86 on: October 31, 2003, 03:55:34 PM »

Clare Short would be an excellent PM, in my opinion. She has an impressive resume as a Secretary for International Development, and is a progressive in both political and sexual affairs.
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« Reply #87 on: October 31, 2003, 03:58:37 PM »

Mississippi: Barbour beats out Musgrove by 2-10%.  But, I really don't care.

Louisiana: 50% chance of either a GOP or a DEM win.  Again, I don't care.

Kentucky: GOP wins.  Period.

I don't care, because, well, none of these states are relatively close to me, and none of them are battlegrounds for 2004 with the unlikely exception of Louisiana.
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« Reply #88 on: October 31, 2003, 04:08:55 PM »

I would like to announce a change of opinion. I officially consider myself a supporter of Howard Dean. While I was previously a supporter of John Kerry, I now support the former governor of Vermont, because I am assauged that he is equally cultured and well-bred compared with the Massachusetts senator, and has a more progressive viewpoint.
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« Reply #89 on: October 31, 2003, 04:26:15 PM »

I cannot emphasise enough how much of a disaster the election of the Liberal Democrats would be. Charles Keneddy doesnt work too hard, nor have any economists ever gotten a Lib Dem budget to balance, but that doesnt matter too much because they never get elected.

As for Michael Portillo, time is slipping fast for the Wonder Boy, my bet is Ken Clarke has arranged for him to become Shadow Chancellor and that could hopefully set him up for the succession he so richly deserves after all he has overcome; He did however miss his chance in 1995 when Major stepped aside.

A more likely outcome is in about 6 years, Howard stands down, he'll be 68, and we have the ultimate fight between Letwin and Davis who already have the look of prodigal sons about them. However I fear that Davis may already have missed his chance, I dont think he will get another one as good.

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« Reply #90 on: October 31, 2003, 04:36:04 PM »
« Edited: April 21, 2011, 05:08:00 PM by Peter »

This country abandoned socialism a long time ago, Clare Short has a much chance of becoming Labour Leader as IDS does of returning to be Tory leader.

No, the obvious option is still Gordon Brown, with the dark horses of Milburn and Cook up there as the main challengers. Straw is irrelevant and Blunkett sits too far right to be elected by his party.
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« Reply #91 on: October 31, 2003, 04:51:03 PM »

You make your comment about the Liberal Democrats with an utter failure to see the alternative. I don't see how Charles Kennedy could be any worse than the recent PMs which were a harpy with ice water running through her veins, a do-nothing silly billy-goat, and the current PM, a functionary of the inimical trades unions.
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« Reply #92 on: October 31, 2003, 04:53:53 PM »

Perhaps Labour should restore its commitment to the disadvantaged by selecting a champion of the interests of everyone, such as the tight-lipped but tenacious MP from Birmingham Ladywood, Clare Short.
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« Reply #93 on: October 31, 2003, 07:13:23 PM »

Mississippi: Barbour beats out Musgrove by 2-10%.  But, I really don't care.

Louisiana: 50% chance of either a GOP or a DEM win.  Again, I don't care.

Kentucky: GOP wins.  Period.

I don't care, because, well, none of these states are relatively close to me, and none of them are battlegrounds for 2004 with the unlikely exception of Louisiana.

I'm nowhere them too, but it the only elections for a while.  I don't lousiana will be battleground next year.
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« Reply #94 on: October 31, 2003, 07:15:17 PM »

If Al is pissed off enough at Dean he will run as an independent.  If nader runs too that will be big trouble for the Dems.
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« Reply #95 on: October 31, 2003, 07:20:05 PM »

WEST VIRGINIA (3)
1. Boreman (1st WV state governor)
2. Lederer (1st European to explore WV)
3. Coal Mountains

Coal Hills would sound better then Coal Mountains.
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« Reply #96 on: October 31, 2003, 07:23:30 PM »

I hope it is drawn out and not over in a few weeks.  Because it will be more interesting and entertaining if it is drawn out.
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« Reply #97 on: November 01, 2003, 03:33:07 AM »

If job growth is understated by the employer survey, than how many jobs were created in the Clinton years? Maybe it was even more than the official figures of about 20 million from the employer survey. Even if Bush has created 130k jobs in 3 years, that's still pretty bad compared to 20 million in 8 years under a Democratic administration.
The deficit is still a problem for Bush. The budget is about $600 billion or so behind where it was when Bush took office ($200 billion surplus or so to $400 billion deficit). Thus it's costing us more than $4 million per job created. So unless these are all CEO positions being created here, it seems like that's not too efficient. Supply-side economics does not work, never has. It may give the economy a small short-term boost, but that is more than offset in the long run by the negative effects of higher budget deficits (greater amount of budget spend on interest payments, higher interest rates as the government competes with businesses for loans, etc). Demand creates supply much more than supply creates demand.
Things are getting better in Iraq? How so? The pace of casualties among American troops hasn't slowed. Your opinion of the situation is definitely more optimistic than Donald Rumsfeld's.
The WMDs will be traced to Syria? I suppose anything is possible, but I don't see any evidence to support that as of yet. If the WMDs, Saddam, and Bin Laden are all still at-large next year at this time, that's a problem for Bush.
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« Reply #98 on: November 01, 2003, 01:08:50 PM »
« Edited: November 01, 2003, 01:14:18 PM by Mike »

I mostly agree with Pete Bell here. Barring a catastrophe, Gordon Brown is the favourite to succeed Blair. However, Robin Cook may be the backbenchers' choice, especially after his dignified exit over Iraq (also bearing in mind that his views on the war reflected those of the Party at large).

Claire Short would make a great foreign secretary in my opinion, but there's no way the electorate, or even the Labour Party in its current state, would accept a socialist PM.

I'll emigrate if David Blunkett becomes PM.
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« Reply #99 on: November 01, 2003, 01:23:59 PM »
« Edited: November 01, 2003, 01:38:14 PM by Mike »

Sorry for breaking the flow of the conversation, but I think it speaks volumes that the only two senior Conservatives capable of winning a general election, Michael Portillo and Kenneth Clarke, are completely estranged from their own Party.

The "coronation" of Michael Howard also proves that the Tories haven't learned a thing. This is a man who symbolises the pomposity, arrogance, contempt and cynical populism of the Major era which made the Tories so despised in the first place.

As for the Lib Dems, I would be much more comfortable with Menzies Campbell as their leader. He truly looks like a Prime Minister in the making.
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