Italy 2013 official results thread

[Franknburger]

If I'm reading the headline right, Napolitano saying they can't speed up the process... Italian-speakers anyone?

http://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2013/03/05/napolitano-impossibile-convocare-camere-in-anticipo-monti-vede-renzi/520960/

If my rudimentary Italian does not deceive me, Napolitano said that for various "technical reasons", it would not be possible to advance the newly-elected Chamber's first convention to before the originally envisaged date of March 15. This, however, would leave him with ample time to proficiently prepare and conduct consultations on the formation of the next government.

Sounds like the professionals want to take over before .. eh .. the clowns take stage

The article also mentions that Massimo Donadi (member of Monti's coalition) is claiming that an unintended bug in the Ministry of Interior's software has caused errors in the computation of results. Five seats (including the one he has lost) needed to be reassigned. PD and SEL would each lose one seat, but regain another one, for PdL it is minus two / plus two, IdV (Donadi) gained one, and nobody loses (at least not according to the article).  

[SPQR]

IdV = Rivoluzione Civile...I am not sure how they could get any seats.

[Franknburger]

IdV = Rivoluzione Civile...I am not sure how they could get any seats.

My mistake - the aritcle says "ex-IdV, now with Centro democratico".
Anyway, it might be good if one of you Italians followed up on the matter, since the figures in the article don't add up (6 seats changing possession 5 winners, 4 losers).

[minionofmidas]

Grillo says to trust no one, not even a technical government.

This is what you get when you vote for a troll, Italy.

A technical government is the last kind of government I'd trust (okay, second to last. A Berlusconi government is even lower. No, scratch that. A technical government dependent on Berlusconi's outside support is the lowest one could sink in terms of trustworthiness.)

[You kip if you want to...]

If they're just gonna put in another technocratic government, what the hell's the point in even having an election in the first place?

Very undemocratic.

[minionofmidas]

Welcome to Merkel's Eurozone.

[YL]

If they're just gonna put in another technocratic government, what the hell's the point in even having an election in the first place?

Very undemocratic.

To be fair, the Italian voters (and their constitution and electoral system, together with Grillo's attitude) did produce a ridiculously indecisive election result.

I'm pretty much resigned at this point to a second election leading to either a Berlusconi comeback or an M5S government.

[Antonio the Sixth]

IdV = Rivoluzione Civile...I am not sure how they could get any seats.

My mistake - the aritcle says "ex-IdV, now with Centro democratico".
Anyway, it might be good if one of you Italians followed up on the matter, since the figures in the article don't add up (6 seats changing possession 5 winners, 4 losers).

First of all, are you talking about the House or about the Senate? If it's the House, it's very easy to verify, since the repartition is national. If it's the Senate, you'd have to dig into region-by-region results...

[MaxQue]

If they're just gonna put in another technocratic government, what the hell's the point in even having an election in the first place?

Very undemocratic.

Well, a government must be appointed and none is possible. The only possible option is a technical government until an election can be held. And none can be held until a new President is elected in May.

[Hash]

If they're just gonna put in another technocratic government, what the hell's the point in even having an election in the first place?

Very undemocratic.

Not their fault that 25% voted for a mentally unstable troll whose sole goal seems to be destroying the country.

[2952-0-0]

At least there's no fascist party eager to take over like in Greece.

[ag]

I'm pretty much resigned at this point to a second election leading to either a Berlusconi comeback or an M5S government.

I could imagine M5S getting a majority in the House. But how the hell would they get a Senate majority (unless the electoral system will have been changed, of course)? And, assuming they don´t, who the hell would support them?

[LastVoter]

Could Pd prop up a clown minority government, and kill it when it does something stupid?

[MaxQue]

Could Pd prop up a clown minority government, and kill it when it does something stupid?

I suppose so, but why they would do that, especially when they have the majority in the House?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

If they're just gonna put in another technocratic government, what the hell's the point in even having an election in the first place?

Very undemocratic.

Not their fault that 25% voted for a mentally unstable troll whose sole goal seems to be destroying the country.

I thought Berlusconi did a bit better than 25%?

[Hash]

If they're just gonna put in another technocratic government, what the hell's the point in even having an election in the first place?

Very undemocratic.

Not their fault that 25% voted for a mentally unstable troll whose sole goal seems to be destroying the country.

I thought Berlusconi did a bit better than 25%?

Nah, Berlusca is not a 'mentally unstable troll', he is a 'sex-starved creepy old machist clown'; but yes, they share a common goal.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Please from now on reserve this thread for discussion on the results themselves. The generic thread is now reopened for comments on the political situation and future development (including possible new elections).

[Antonio the Sixth]

Just to keep this thread alive, here are the results from all the places I'm in any way connected to:


Courmayeur, Valle d'Aosta (maternal grandmother's birthplace):

Vallée d'Aoste: 457
UVP: 294
M5S: 239
Local party: 165
FdI: 141
LN: 104
Others: 85


Lamon, Veneto (maternal grandfather's birthplace):

Left: 621 (PD 574, SEL 40, CD 7)
M5S: 397
Right: 376 (Lega 189, PdL 178, FdI 5, Destra 4)
Monti: 320 (Monti 267, UDC 47, FLI 6)
Others: 80


Melito di Porto Salvo, Calabria (paternal grandmother's birthplace):

Right: 1,437 (PdL 1,158, GS 126, Destra 74, FdI 51, MIR 20, Lega 4 , IP 4)
Left: 1,234 (PD 958, SEL 188, CD 88)
M5S: 804
Monti: 361 (Monti 244, UDC 89, FLI 28)
Others: 296


Palizzi, Calabria (paternal grandfather's birthplace):

Right: 371 (PdL 301, GS 42, FdI 15, Destra 9, MIR 3, IP 1)
Left: 280 (PD 244, SEL 34, CD 2)
M5S: 152
Radicals: 70
Monti: 65 (Monti 37, UDC 14, FLI 14)
Others: 68


Grugliasco, Piemonte (where I lived as a kid):

Left: 8,769 (PD 7,872, SEL 844, CD 53)
M5S: 8,338
Right: 4,218 (PdL 3,126, Lega 491, FdI 301, PP 192, Destra 83, MIR 25)
Monti: 2,462 (Monti 2,183, UDC 191, FLI 88)
Others: 1,053


2/5... could have been worse. Calabria sucks, though.

[MaxQue]

I was sure Courmayeur was in France. It's a known ski resort in the Alps and since it had a French name, I thought it was in France. Still, it's easier to write than other ski resorts (like Garmish-Partenkitchen, sorry for spelling).

Which kind of party is «Vallée d'Aoste» ?

[Antonio the Sixth]

I was sure Courmayeur was in France. It's a known ski resort in the Alps and since it had a French name, I thought it was in France. Still, it's easier to write than other ski resorts (like Garmish-Partenkitchen, sorry for spelling).

It's not a big mistake: the Aosta Valley is France in all but name.

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From what I've seen on Wikipedia it's a coalition of various regionalist parties with no clear partisan affiliation. Their guy won the region's single-member seat, anyway.