Vatican City 2013 papal election

[ag]

Maradiaga doesn't have a chance because of his comments about the Jews.

What were they?

[Famous Mortimer]

http://archive.adl.org/PresRele/ASInt_13/4135_13.asp 

[RodPresident]

A strong candidate in next conclaves will be Husar's sucessor, Sviatoslav Shevchuk. He's only 42 and he'll get a large experience by next Conclave if next Pope serves 20 years.

[ag]

Well, that could be the first non-Latin Pope Though, still, doubt about it.

[Zanas]

How do you argue that Joseph Ratzinger was a Latin Pope ?

[MaxQue]

How do you argue that Joseph Ratzinger was a Latin Pope ?

And what about John Paul II?

[Benj]

How do you argue that Joseph Ratzinger was a Latin Pope ?

Latin v. Eastern rite churches. The guy in question is a member of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church.

[ag]

How do you argue that Joseph Ratzinger was a Latin Pope ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEIjV6IHZOg&feature=player_embedded

[ag]

How do you argue that Joseph Ratzinger was a Latin Pope ?

Latin v. Eastern rite churches. The guy in question is a member of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church.

I thought this would have been obvious

[Zanas]

Rather than "Latin", I would have gone with "Roman-rite" to express this. However, I get your point.

[MaxQue]

In another wierd event, some English cardinal decided to say than priests should be allowed to wed and have kids.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

The Latin Church has already allowed some married ex-Anglican priests to retain their priestly status when returning to the embrace of the mother church.  I can easily see the requirement of priestly celibacy being relaxed further, either by creating a second Latin rite particular church is which married priests were allowed, or allowing individual episcopal conferences, provinces, and/or dioceses to decide whether to allow married priests.  As an institution, I think the Latin Church is unlikely to abandon priestly celibacy altogether.

[bore]

In another wierd event, some English cardinal decided to say than priests should be allowed to wed and have kids.

Here's the article on it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/22/alllow-catholic-priests-marry-cardinal  The cardinal in question is the Scottish Cardinal Keith Patrick O brien  (You have to wonder where his family are from). As he's also the Archbishop of Edinburgh and St Andrews I've met him several times, and he seems nice enough, as long as you don't get him started on the gays...

[afleitch]

Oh the irony

[bore]

Yeah, that post doesn't look so good now...

Unless the Boardbashi has any qualms though, I'll let the post stand, because if the allegations are true it proves the point that these people are very good at projecting a positive public image, while secretly doing evil things.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

There's no obvious problem in letting the post stand.

[Franknburger]

Out of curiosity, I checked on the 'electoral votes' by region:

Anglophone             17             (US 11, CAN 3, UK 1, IRL 1, AUS 1)
Latin America          19             (BRA 5, MEX 3, ARG 2, other South Am. 6, other Central Am. 3)
Asia & Africa           22             (IND 5,  other Asia 5, NIG 2, other sub-Sah. Africa 8, Mid-East 2)
Italy                       28
Other Europe          31             (D 6, E 5, F 4, P 2, oth. Western Eur. 4, PL 4, oth. Eastern Eur. 6)
Total                     117

Election requires 2/3rd majority (78 votes). This means that Italy, even though they are the largest voting block, cannot control the outcome. Asia, Africa & Latin America, with 41 combinded votes, on the other hand, are able to block any candidate they do not like.

If this develops into an "italian" vs. "non-European" power struggle, I would not be surprised to either see a North-American or a Spanish pope emerging as compromise candidate (note that 14 of the 22 Asian / African `delegates`are anglophone, vs. 5 frankophones).

Cardinals may, however, also base their vote on personality and positions ....

P.S: Figures corrected in line with ag's comment,

[ag]

Husar is turning 80 two days too early, so "other European" adds up only to 31 (other Eastern Europe at 6) out of the total of 117. And 2/3 is 78, I think.

[Franknburger]

Husar is turning 80 two days too early, so "other European" adds up only to 31 (other Eastern Europe at 6) out of the total of 117. And 2/3 is 78, I think.

You are right. Thanks for the correction. My post above has been altered accordingly.

I took the list from this page (in German), without realising that they are using today, instead of the date of Benedict's retreat, to move Cardinals from "active" (voting right) to "passive". 

[Chancellor of the Duchy of Little Lever and Darcy Lever]

Cardinal Keith O'Brien (Scotland) has resigned over a sex scandal.  No UK vote in the conclave now.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Cardinal Keith O'Brien (Scotland) has resigned over a sex scandal.  No UK vote in the conclave now.

He stopped being an archbishop, but I'm not sure it's possible to stop being a cardinal.

[ag]

Cardinal Keith O'Brien (Scotland) has resigned over a sex scandal.  No UK vote in the conclave now.

He stopped being an archbishop, but I'm not sure it's possible to stop being a cardinal.

He is still a Cardinal. But he said, he is not going to go to Rome for the conclave.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Cardinal Keith O'Brien (Scotland) has resigned over a sex scandal.  No UK vote in the conclave now.

He stopped being an archbishop, but I'm not sure it's possible to stop being a cardinal.

He is still a Cardinal. But he said, he is not going to go to Rome for the conclave.

All right. That makes sense.

[Paleobrazilian]

The buzz about "Petrus Romanus" will go bigger and bigger now with all this mud flying around.

[Paleobrazilian]

Basically all cardinal are already in Rome by now. Benedict XVI will be preaching for the last time as the Bishop of Rome tomorrow. Informal cardinal meetings must have already begun by now, and from Thursday on, expect some intense action as the cardinals will have the chance to meet officially, listen to speaks, etc.

This conclave will be very interesting. The fact that there's no big favorite makes me believe, and the conclave rules set by Benedict XVI in 2007, could give us a quite long conclave (+10 ballots and a mandatory day of rest and prayer). However, the fact that the cardinals had a month to prepare for this moment and the ongoing meetings may help creating some consensus before the conclave (thus, a new Pope could be elected with 6-8 ballots).

The date of the conclave will probably be brought forward to around March 5th, but I think the College of Cardinals will give themselves some time to allow the groups of power to bring their candidates and start compromise negotiations.

Interesting times ahead, gotta love it.