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« on: January 23, 2013, 08:37:31 AM »

I'm not talking about CFG or !!!BOLD PROGRESSIVE!!! purity trolling but getting rid of incumbents who are considered bad and often run behind the generic candidate and are either eyesores for their district and/or could be replaced by a stronger candidate. Here's my list

Raul Grijalva
Jerry McNerney
Tammy Duckworth
Jacky Walorski
Dave Loebsack
Dan Benishek
John Tierney
Michele Bachmann

any others?
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« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2013, 11:56:53 AM »

Duckworth is at least a strong fundraiser and potentially a very telegenic spokeswoman, and I don't understand why Benishek is on this list at all.
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« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2013, 12:07:05 PM »

I'm not talking about CFG or !!!BOLD PROGRESSIVE!!! purity trolling but getting rid of incumbents who are considered bad and often run behind the generic candidate and are either eyesores for their district and/or could be replaced by a stronger candidate. Here's my list

Raul Grijalva
Jerry McNerney
Tammy Duckworth
Jacky Walorski
Dave Loebsack
Dan Benishek
John Tierney
Michele Bachmann

any others?

You seriously want to primary Raul Grijalva and Tammy Duckworth? Why? How are they weak candidates or bad fits for their districts?

Anyway, I'd primary Stephen Lynch in Massachusetts, since he seems a bad fit for any district there. I'd primary Jason Chaffetz here in Utah, as he barely spends any time here, and didn't even bother to campaign for his seat last year, instead running around as a Romney yes-man. Jim Cooper of Tennessee needs to go as well, since his district is urban (or so I heard) and he's treating it as if it were a rural Republican district.

I'd also primary Charlie Rangel because he's corrupt, and from what I have heard, he doesn't have any interest in representing the Puerto Ricans that compromise part of his new district.

Mike Coffman also needs to be primaried, since from what I understand, the demographics of his district don't support a Republican of his political views.
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« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2013, 01:22:22 PM »

At least Alcee Hastings and Vern Buchanan.
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« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2013, 01:26:46 PM »

Tom Petri (R-Wis.) has always seemed like a really underwhelming member. He's been in the House for 34 years and is a nobody. He hasn't moved up; he needs to move out.

Don Young (R-Alaska) is awful. If you're a member from a rural or poor district, I realize you're going to be asking for a lot of stuff for your constituents, but you could at least offer something in return like a depth of expertise in something important like foreign policy. Young takes and takes and never gives anything of value.

Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-Texas) Around here, she is considered one of the Revolving Doors of the Texas Delegation, along with Sheila Jackson Lee. Like Miss Jackson Lee, she is awful to work for and work with. And while not as outspoken or over-the-top as SJL, she is also less intelligent and incredibly parochial and corrupt. (She arranged for college scholarships intended for young people in her district to go to relatives of hers who did not live there, and some of them allegedly didn't even use the money for college).
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« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2013, 01:33:58 PM »

Anyway, I'd primary Stephen Lynch in Massachusetts, since he seems a bad fit for any district there.

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« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2013, 01:37:55 PM »

Louie Gohmert, Paul Broun, SJL, Alan Grayson, Maxine Waters, among others.
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2013, 01:59:32 PM »

Anyway, I'd primary Stephen Lynch in Massachusetts, since he seems a bad fit for any district there.

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Yeah I'll admit I don't know all that much about Mass politics, but from my understanding, Lynch is pro-life and has fairly right-wing social and economic views, right? Does his district really like that?
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2013, 02:01:58 PM »

Lynch is a labor Dem who's moderate-ish on abortion. Definitely not a Blue Dog or anything remotely close.
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2013, 02:07:55 PM »
« Edited: January 23, 2013, 02:12:25 PM by Nathan »

Anyway, I'd primary Stephen Lynch in Massachusetts, since he seems a bad fit for any district there.

lol

Yeah I'll admit I don't know all that much about Mass politics, but from my understanding, Lynch is pro-life and has fairly right-wing social and economic views, right? Does his district really like that?

What RogueBeaver said. Lynch isn't even remotely right-wing on economics, or on many social issues other than abortion, on which he's moderate to center-right by current standards. He is actually an excellent fit for the area that he represents, South Boston and its immediate suburbs (not for the state as a whole, though). The problems that people have with him come in large part from the fact that he simply has an uninteresting and unappealing general style and personality.
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2013, 03:02:42 PM »

Anyway, I'd primary Stephen Lynch in Massachusetts, since he seems a bad fit for any district there.

lol

Yeah I'll admit I don't know all that much about Mass politics, but from my understanding, Lynch is pro-life and has fairly right-wing social and economic views, right? Does his district really like that?

What RogueBeaver said. Lynch isn't even remotely right-wing on economics, or on many social issues other than abortion, on which he's moderate to center-right by current standards. He is actually an excellent fit for the area that he represents, South Boston and its immediate suburbs (not for the state as a whole, though). The problems that people have with him come in large part from the fact that he simply has an uninteresting and unappealing general style and personality.

Ah, alright. Good to know. I don't know too much about that area, and had just heard that he was the most right-wing of the Massachusetts delegation.
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2013, 03:15:04 PM »

Anyway, I'd primary Stephen Lynch in Massachusetts, since he seems a bad fit for any district there.

lol

Yeah I'll admit I don't know all that much about Mass politics, but from my understanding, Lynch is pro-life and has fairly right-wing social and economic views, right? Does his district really like that?

What RogueBeaver said. Lynch isn't even remotely right-wing on economics, or on many social issues other than abortion, on which he's moderate to center-right by current standards. He is actually an excellent fit for the area that he represents, South Boston and its immediate suburbs (not for the state as a whole, though). The problems that people have with him come in large part from the fact that he simply has an uninteresting and unappealing general style and personality.

Ah, alright. Good to know. I don't know too much about that area, and had just heard that he was the most right-wing of the Massachusetts delegation.

He is. That area is probably the most socially conservative part of Massachusetts, at least that could be made into a whole congressional district, so it's not totally ridiculous. Lynch is also right-wing on more than abortion; he's opposed a variety of socially liberal legislation on issues like gay rights as well. But he's not like an Oklahoma Democrat.
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2013, 04:11:17 PM »

Anyone that's corrupt or crazy.
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2013, 04:54:51 PM »

A fair number of North Carolina Republicans are underperformers or rather gaffe-prone- Foxx, Ellmers, McHenry, etc. On the other side, Mel Watt seems to be the kind of incumbent who could only win in his hyper-partisan district, and would vulnerable in anything much more swingy.
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2013, 06:27:45 PM »

Nobody mentioned Santa Claus? Wow.
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« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2013, 07:09:41 PM »

He comes under corrupt and crazy.
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« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2013, 07:45:18 PM »

Leonard Lance-The guy was once a moderate. Now he is like a Tea Party Guy. He is not a typical Northeast Moderate Republican anymore.

I would say Mike Coffmann like some other poster said but he would probably lose to a Dem first than get primaried by somebody who is a better fit for the district. I don't think the Republicans would primary him with somebody who is a better fit for the district. I would say the same thing about Jeff Denham out in California.

Scott Garrett- The guy is a poor fit for the  newly drawn district because of the Bergen County part by the George Washington Bridge area.


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« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2013, 07:48:55 PM »

Louie Gohmert, Paul Broun, SJL, Alan Grayson, Maxine Waters, among others.
You picked some of the most extreme right and left wing politicians in both parties. They all vote their districts though.
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« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2013, 08:03:44 PM »

Anyway, I'd primary Stephen Lynch in Massachusetts, since he seems a bad fit for any district there.

lol

Yeah I'll admit I don't know all that much about Mass politics, but from my understanding, Lynch is pro-life and has fairly right-wing social and economic views, right? Does his district really like that?

What RogueBeaver said. Lynch isn't even remotely right-wing on economics, or on many social issues other than abortion, on which he's moderate to center-right by current standards. He is actually an excellent fit for the area that he represents, South Boston and its immediate suburbs (not for the state as a whole, though). The problems that people have with him come in large part from the fact that he simply has an uninteresting and unappealing general style and personality.

Ah, alright. Good to know. I don't know too much about that area, and had just heard that he was the most right-wing of the Massachusetts delegation.

He is. That area is probably the most socially conservative part of Massachusetts, at least that could be made into a whole congressional district, so it's not totally ridiculous. Lynch is also right-wing on more than abortion; he's opposed a variety of socially liberal legislation on issues like gay rights as well. But he's not like an Oklahoma Democrat.

He may have at one time, but Lynch has actually been fairly good, albeit also fairly noncommittal, on LGBT issues in recent years.
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« Reply #19 on: January 23, 2013, 08:09:47 PM »

What is wrong with Loebsack?
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« Reply #20 on: January 23, 2013, 09:28:14 PM »

Yeah I'll admit I don't know all that much about Mass politics, but from my understanding, Lynch is pro-life and has fairly right-wing social and economic views, right? Does his district really like that?

he's not that much different from Richard Neal out west.
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« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2013, 09:33:02 PM »

Duckworth is at least a strong fundraiser and potentially a very telegenic spokeswoman, and I don't understand why Benishek is on this list at all.

I could be wrong but I'm under the impression that she's a Darcy Burner of sorts who just speaks in platitudes and is very much an outsider in her district (ie someone who relies on a lot of out of state money). The fact that she beat a one term incumbent by ten points may sound impressive, but when you compare to Bill Foster who unseated a more tenured stronger incumbent by 15 points, I'm not sold yet on Duckworth.
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« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2013, 09:38:54 PM »

Leonard Lance-The guy was once a moderate. Now he is like a Tea Party Guy. He is not a typical Northeast Moderate Republican anymore.

I would say Mike Coffmann like some other poster said but he would probably lose to a Dem first than get primaried by somebody who is a better fit for the district. I don't think the Republicans would primary him with somebody who is a better fit for the district. I would say the same thing about Jeff Denham out in California.

Scott Garrett- The guy is a poor fit for the  newly drawn district because of the Bergen County part by the George Washington Bridge area.

Lance is a fairly moderate LoBiondo/Frelinghuysen type guy. I might even vote for him if I lived in his district

Coffman - depends how he does going forward. If he continues to underperform, the CO GOP should primary him. Then again Musgrave was never primaried despite being a sh**tty incumbent

Garrett is about as culturally alien to NJ as possible. Phil Crane 2.0?

Denham - seems to be an inoffensive garden variety conservative. I don't see why he'd get primaried.
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« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2013, 10:03:00 PM »

Anyway, I'd primary Stephen Lynch in Massachusetts, since he seems a bad fit for any district there.

lol

Yeah I'll admit I don't know all that much about Mass politics, but from my understanding, Lynch is pro-life and has fairly right-wing social and economic views, right? Does his district really like that?

What RogueBeaver said. Lynch isn't even remotely right-wing on economics, or on many social issues other than abortion, on which he's moderate to center-right by current standards. He is actually an excellent fit for the area that he represents, South Boston and its immediate suburbs (not for the state as a whole, though). The problems that people have with him come in large part from the fact that he simply has an uninteresting and unappealing general style and personality.

Ah, alright. Good to know. I don't know too much about that area, and had just heard that he was the most right-wing of the Massachusetts delegation.

An awful lot of the Democrats in Lynch's district are pro-life Catholics. Or, at the very least, Catholics who are OK with a pro-life politician. Certain parts of Massachusetts are liberal as all hell (especially wealthy areas), but blue collar, working-class white Democrats in the cities are far more socially conservative.
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« Reply #24 on: January 24, 2013, 12:52:53 AM »
« Edited: January 24, 2013, 01:01:31 AM by cope1989 »

Tom Price (Georgia 6th)  Cherokee County was moved to another district so now the district is less tea partyish and more mainstream Republican. Someone more moderate would be a better fit now.

Oh, and regardless of ideology- I'd primary Lynn Westmoreland. The only notable thing he's done is embarrass the district on the Colbert Report.
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