The Big Bad Swedish Politics & News Thread

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Magdalena Andersson has until Tuesday 10:00 AM to secure parliamentary support for becoming prime minister

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Magdalena Andersson will ask for more time to try forming a new government that will sit for only 10 months because V wants an all-inclusive agreement

Andersson will also try to get support for her budget already now instead of forming government and then maybe have to resign again at the end of the month


M, KD and SD have just presented their alternative budget. L will not support this budget.

So this means the budget vote will probably look like this:

Government budget -> 116 votes (with V its 144 votes, with C its 174 votes and with the far-left independent its 175)

M/KD/SD-budget: 154

L-budget: 20

The budget with the most votes wins

[CumbrianLefty]

Is more time being given to form a government a good sign (ie that there is a decent chance this will ultimately happen) or just kicking the can down the road a bit longer?

[The Lord Marbury]

Is more time being given to form a government a good sign (ie that there is a decent chance this will ultimately happen) or just kicking the can down the road a bit longer?

Well of course it's not as good a sign as putting Andersson before a vote in the Riksdag straight away would've been, but it's still a good sign. If there was no chance she probably would've asked the Speaker to hold a new round of talks with the party leaders.

The general consensus among commentators seems to be that V has been far more tough in negotiations than S had expected, but it will probably be resolved by Monday. As long as V doesn't demand something that will make C pull their support, but with only 10 months or so left until the election, there's little appetite for a prolonged crisis. The Left's main demands seem to be a pension increase for the poorest pensioners and social security improvements. But it's probably first and foremost to be recognised as an equal to the government, like C. Rather than be treated as a party that's expected to passively support the government in every confidence vote without concessions, as they feel they've been treated for the past 3 years.

After being accused of simply laying down and accepting a government without any influence over government policy after the 2018 election, V needs to make a point of getting concessions from S in order to accept Andersson. Especially going in to next year's election, so they can show that voting V will actually have an influence on an S government.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Wednesday the 24th could be a Super Wednesday, as the budget vote is scheduled to be held that afternoon but a PM vote may be held in the morning (yet unconfirmed).

This is probably a way for SAP to pressure the Left and Centre together, as it would be strange to vote for Andersson in the morning and then vote to defeat her government in the afternoon.

This is a pretty risky move, because V and/or C could carry out their threats to vote down Andersson and/or the budget.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

The Swedish people are crying out for MAGDA

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

However, negotiations between V, S, and C are all going very badly

V demands to be included in an agreement with an Andersson government, but C won't accept that. S offered to comply with all their policy demands. But V wants to have an agreement with S, MP and C - which is impossible because C refuses. Thus a PM-vote on Andersson (likely on 24 Nov) could result in a defeat.

Also on 24 Nov is the budget vote: M/KD/SD's budget will pass if V or C don't support the S/MP-govt budget, and it’s still unclear how V and C will vote in the budget vote.

The compromise on forest and shore nature protection will likely be defeated in parliament as V has announced they will vote against, which was a condition from C to vote for Andersson. Looking increasingly bleak now for S but idk what the other outcome will be.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

A few weeks ago an SD-politician was convicted for murder

On Saturday another SD-politician was arrested for murder

Today SD’s MEP Peter Lundgren has been convicted of sexual assault

Things going well for the populist right

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

PM vote scheduled for 9 in the morning, budget vote scheduled for 4 pm


Still no word from C about the agreement between V and S, so Andersson is likely calling Lööf's bluff

[CumbrianLefty]

A few weeks ago an SD-politician was convicted for murder

On Saturday another SD-politician was arrested for murder

Today SD’s MEP Peter Lundgren has been convicted of sexual assault

Things going well for the populist right

Given how these things often go, their poll rating will go up

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

PM vote scheduled for 9 in the morning, budget vote scheduled for 4 pm


Still no word from C about the agreement between V and S, so Andersson is likely calling Lööf's bluff

I'm not sure what news sources you're reading, but so far there is no deal between S and V and V held a press conference at 3 pm saying they're prepared to vote against Andersson if they don't reach a deal.

So pretty hard for C to have anything to say about a deal that doesn't exist yet.   

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

PM vote scheduled for 9 in the morning, budget vote scheduled for 4 pm


Still no word from C about the agreement between V and S, so Andersson is likely calling Lööf's bluff

I'm not sure what news sources you're reading, but so far there is no deal between S and V and V held a press conference at 3 pm saying they're prepared to vote against Andersson if they don't reach a deal.

So pretty hard for C to have anything to say about a deal that doesn't exist yet.  

Okay, on checking again, i completely misunderstood an article in Swedish, apologies for the misinfo

[The Lord Marbury]

White smoke. V, S and MP have now agreed to a pensions increase of up to 1000 SEK/month tax-free for those with the lowest pensions. Therefore V will abstain when Magdalena Andersson is put up for a vote in the Riksdag tomorrow at 9 AM. Dadgostar also said that V will be voting for the government's budget in the final vote tomorrow afternoon.

Unsurprisingly C haven't said anything about the deal yet, it's only been out for about an hour. They're expected to comment tomorrow.

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

C WILL SUPPORT ANDERSSON BUT NOT THE BUDGET

So once again, Socialdemokraterna will administer a right-wing budget

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Livestream to watch MAGDA become the first female PM of Sweden: https://svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/talmansrundor

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

crisis getting crazier: there will be a motion of no confidence against Environmental Minister Per Bolund (Greens)

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Only 174 against, Magdalena Andersson is the new Prime Minister of Sweden!!!!

[Clarko95 📚💰📈]

Okay because this just keeps getting crazier:

The Greens might ragequit the government if the motion of no confidence in the deputy PM is successful 🤣

[The Lord Marbury]

Okay because this just keeps getting crazier:

The Greens might ragequit the government if the motion of no confidence in the deputy PM is successful 🤣

The main reason they appear to be consider leaving the government doesn't seem to be the possible vote of no confidence against Bolund - that doesn't stand much chance of passing either way.

However they're considering it because of how furious they are at the Centre Party announcing that they will not vote for the government's budget. When the Greens participated in negotiations over forest policy with the Centre Party this autumn, most of what they got in exchange for making concessions to C was part of the budget. If the budget falls this afternoon, so does the Green victories in the deal they made with the Centre Party.

[CumbrianLefty]

Hmmm, looks a bit of a mess doesn't it. Another election soon in any event?

[The Lord Marbury]

Hmmm, looks a bit of a mess doesn't it. Another election soon in any event?

The next election will with 99% probability be the one scheduled for September 2022. There's little appetite for a snap election now as Sweden has fixed parliamentary terms, so if a snap election were to be held in January, the one scheduled for September would still take place.

Ostensibly this feature of the constitution is there to incentivise cross-party cooperation when parties want to avoid two elections in relatively close succession, and to disincentivise governments from calling an election whenever polling looks good. But I'm not sure it's working that well at the moment.

[MaxQue]

Okay because this just keeps getting crazier:

The Greens might ragequit the government if the motion of no confidence in the deputy PM is successful 🤣

The main reason they appear to be consider leaving the government doesn't seem to be the possible vote of no confidence against Bolund - that doesn't stand much chance of passing either way.

However they're considering it because of how furious they are at the Centre Party announcing that they will not vote for the government's budget. When the Greens participated in negotiations over forest policy with the Centre Party this autumn, most of what they got in exchange for making concessions to C was part of the budget. If the budget falls this afternoon, so does the Green victories in the deal they made with the Centre Party.

I don't understand why the Social Democrats uphold the forest deal. Center want their forest deal, they have to vote the budget.

[The Lord Marbury]

Okay because this just keeps getting crazier:

The Greens might ragequit the government if the motion of no confidence in the deputy PM is successful 🤣

The main reason they appear to be consider leaving the government doesn't seem to be the possible vote of no confidence against Bolund - that doesn't stand much chance of passing either way.

However they're considering it because of how furious they are at the Centre Party announcing that they will not vote for the government's budget. When the Greens participated in negotiations over forest policy with the Centre Party this autumn, most of what they got in exchange for making concessions to C was part of the budget. If the budget falls this afternoon, so does the Green victories in the deal they made with the Centre Party.

I don't understand why the Social Democrats uphold the forest deal. Center want their forest deal, they have to vote the budget.

Because if they didn't the Centre Party had said that they would vote no to Magdalena Andersson as Prime Minister.

Also, it's official now. The Greens will be leaving the government.

[The Lord Marbury]

Well that was fun.

Magdalena Andersson was elected Sweden's first female PM with the mandate of forming a coalition government between the Social Democrats and the Greens. Seven hours or so later she hands in her resignation to the Speaker, asking to be put before a new vote in the Riksdag, with a mandate to form a Social Democratic minority government.

[CumbrianLefty]

What on earth??