Northeast Assembly Thread II

[Blair]

Do we want a Budget before or after the next legislature term?

[NHI]

Do we want a Budget before or after the next legislature term?

I would say, before.

[Kingpoleon]

Do we want a Budget before or after the next legislature term?

Preferably before.

Anyone want to volunteer to chair it? NHI, Blair?

[cinyc]

Do we want a Budget before or after the next legislature term?

Preferably before.

Anyone want to volunteer to chair it? NHI, Blair?

What do you mean by chair it?  The Governor proposes the budget.  The Assembly votes on it.  It goes in a special  legislative slot and has special debate rules under the SOAP than regular bills.

Regular bills should be voted on within 72 hours unless debate is extended.  There is no reason that the Elections bill should still be on the floor, for example.  No one asked for an extension.  That there is very little debate is largely irrelevant under the SOAP.  The Northeast Assembly isn't run like the Senate.  We have time rules, in part because we only bring a few items to the floor at a time.  No motion needs to be made to call for a vote on anything but the budget.  The vote automatically starts when the time for debate ends.

Please read the SOAP, Mr. Speaker.

[Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN]

Do we want a Budget before or after the next legislature term?

Preferably before.

Anyone want to volunteer to chair it? NHI, Blair?

What do you mean by chair it?  The Governor proposes the budget.  The Assembly votes on it.  It goes in a special  legislative slot and has special debate rules under the SOAP than regular bills.

Regular bills should be voted on within 72 hours unless debate is extended.  There is no reason that the Elections bill should still be on the floor, for example.  No one asked for an extension.  That there is very little debate is largely irrelevant under the SOAP.  The Northeast Assembly isn't run like the Senate.  We have time rules, in part because we only bring a few items to the floor at a time.  No motion needs to be made to call for a vote on anything but the budget.  The vote automatically starts when the time for debate ends.

Please read the SOAP, Mr. Speaker.

While reading this, I remembered the days when I was the speaker of the assembly.

During that time, I was criticized for extending bills for way too long. I even postponed the current voting of a legislation just to allow the one who proposed the bill to add more points or statements / explain further on the bill. However, I extended the debate time mostly with the discretion of my fellow colleagues, sometimes my discretion to allow more points to come in and to have a better comprehension about the bill. I would always ask if they wanted to vote on it or extend the debate further. If there is no answer, or someone wants to move to the voting part, then I will move the assembly to vote on the bill. I would always give an extension if someone would wanted to say something or explain further the bill proposed.

Yes, after my tenure, I still don't know why the next speaker only allotted 24 hours to vote on the bill (which is 48 hours, as stated on the SOAP). I pointed out to the next speaker after my successor that it was in fact,  48 hours.

Just stating what I experienced. I'm not pointing at anyone or criticizing anybody. I do hope we get those bills voted or debated. I'm not a good debater, so I rarely say something about the bill. You will only get my position through the voting part of the bills, which I believe the most important part of the assembly sessions.

[Kingpoleon]

Do we want a Budget before or after the next legislature term?

Preferably before.

Anyone want to volunteer to chair it? NHI, Blair?

What do you mean by chair it?  The Governor proposes the budget.  The Assembly votes on it.  It goes in a special  legislative slot and has special debate rules under the SOAP than regular bills.

Regular bills should be voted on within 72 hours unless debate is extended.  There is no reason that the Elections bill should still be on the floor, for example.  No one asked for an extension.  That there is very little debate is largely irrelevant under the SOAP.  The Northeast Assembly isn't run like the Senate.  We have time rules, in part because we only bring a few items to the floor at a time.  No motion needs to be made to call for a vote on anything but the budget.  The vote automatically starts when the time for debate ends.

Please read the SOAP, Mr. Speaker.

While reading this, I remembered the days when I was the speaker of the assembly.

During that time, I was criticized for extending bills for way too long. I even postponed the current voting of a legislation just to allow the one who proposed the bill to add more points or statements / explain further on the bill. However, I extended the debate time mostly with the discretion of my fellow colleagues, sometimes my discretion to allow more points to come in and to have a better comprehension about the bill. I would always ask if they wanted to vote on it or extend the debate further. If there is no answer, or someone wants to move to the voting part, then I will move the assembly to vote on the bill. I would always give an extension if someone would wanted to say something or explain further the bill proposed.

Yes, after my tenure, I still don't know why the next speaker only allotted 24 hours to vote on the bill (which is 48 hours, as stated on the SOAP). I pointed out to the next speaker after my successor that it was in fact,  48 hours.

Just stating what I experienced. I'm not pointing at anyone or criticizing anybody. I do hope we get those bills voted or debated. I'm not a good debater, so I rarely say something about the bill. You will only get my position through the voting part of the bills, which I believe the most important part of the assembly sessions.

Once again, the SOAP is a procedural manual, not my step-by-step guide. If it's supposed to be, I need clarification. I want multiple persons to offer to work on this together. cinyc, I appreciate your legalistic check on this Assembly. However, what's the point of the SOAP if we must follow it letter for letter?

[cinyc]

Once again, the SOAP is a procedural manual, not my step-by-step guide. If it's supposed to be, I need clarification. I want multiple persons to offer to work on this together. cinyc, I appreciate your legalistic check on this Assembly. However, what's the point of the SOAP if we must follow it letter for letter?

The point of the SOAP is to provide rules on how the Assembly is to be run.  It is a step-by-step guide.  Without the provisions calling for the relatively prompt disposition of Assembly business, someone could block new bills from being proposed and acted upon. Granted, there's not much legislation in the queue right now, but this Assembly is going to sine die within the next few weeks, so there should be some urgency to get things currently on the floor passed sooner rather than later.

[Blair]

When I was Speaker (back in what march last year, christ nearly a year) I operated under the assumption that the SOAP was gospel

[Kingpoleon]

When I was Speaker (back in what march last year, christ nearly a year) I operated under the assumption that the SOAP was gospel

As hard as it sounds for a legislature to meet the bare minimum of the SOAP...

No offense, Mr. Governor, but I like to keep my options open rather than having an unchanging and strict plan.

[Kingpoleon]

Once again, the SOAP is a procedural manual, not my step-by-step guide. If it's supposed to be, I need clarification. I want multiple persons to offer to work on this together. cinyc, I appreciate your legalistic check on this Assembly. However, what's the point of the SOAP if we must follow it letter for letter?

The point of the SOAP is to provide rules on how the Assembly is to be run.  It is a step-by-step guide.  Without the provisions calling for the relatively prompt disposition of Assembly business, someone could block new bills from being proposed and acted upon. Granted, there's not much legislation in the queue right now, but this Assembly is going to sine die within the next few weeks, so there should be some urgency to get things currently on the floor passed sooner rather than later.

Your point of time? Granted. As to the SOAP, feel free to take legal proceedings regarding my application of it.

[Blair]

Well looking into it the SOAP is actually codified into law

[Kingpoleon]

Well looking into it the SOAP is actually codified into law

And since then has been perfectly upheld by how many Assembly gatherings?

Precedence is important in law. 

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Mr. Speaker, I really do think we need to, at the very least, get NE1 and NE2 through voting.

[Kingpoleon]

Mr. Speaker, I really do think we need to, at the very least, get NE1 and NE2 through voting.

NE1 passed. I've been waiting on NE2, as it is a long bill I finished reading(comprehensively) just about two weeks ago.

[Blair]

Well looking into it the SOAP is actually codified into law

And since then has been perfectly upheld by how many Assembly gatherings?

Precedence is important in law.  

I upheld it as Speaker, I got Dkrol to uphold it as Speaker when I become Senator, Evergreen upheld it as Speaker, so did MattVT before me.

We've got the Chief Judical Officer (the head of the legal branch), Myself the Governor (head of the executive Branch) and about 4 speakers in the past who've all upheld the SOAP. This is getting beyond stupid.

I'd carefully consider your challenge to take this to the court

[Clark Kent]

When I was (briefly) Speaker, I was also under the impression that the SOAP was law, not just guidelines.

[Blair]

I hope to get a budget written and published by tomorrow at the latest.

[Kingpoleon]

Listen, I don't mean to be stepping on anyone's toes. If anyone has advice, please PM me. I will gladly resign if my beliefs on this are too controversial. I won't change how I believe leading and guidelines should be, but I will gladly change how leading and guidelines will be by the means of changing the Speaker.

[cinyc]

The new Assembly starts at 1:00AM tonight.  Traditionally, the Lt. Governor would open session and start the vote for speaker.  However, since the Lt. Governor is currently the Acting Governor, he is consitutionally ineligible to do so.  That task should fall to the longest continuously sitting Northeast Representative.  Is that RGN08?

[Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN]

The new Assembly starts at 1:00AM tonight.  Traditionally, the Lt. Governor would open session and start the vote for speaker.  However, since the Lt. Governor is currently the Acting Governor, he is consitutionally ineligible to do so.  That task should fall to the longest continuously sitting Northeast Representative.  Is that RGN08?

Yes, I am. The nomination for the position of speaker is now open.

[Kingpoleon]

Can the Governor nominate a candidate?

[Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN]

Can the Governor nominate a candidate?

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[Former Lincoln Assemblyman & Lt. Gov. RGN]

I'll have to re-open the nomination for 24 hours.

[SWE]

I nominate LongLiveRock for Speaker

[cinyc]

Can the Governor nominate a candidate?

The Acting Governor can't perform any of the duties of the Assembly while he or she is Acting Governor.  This is one way of ensuring that the Acting Governor isn't simultaneously holding two offices (i.e. Northeast Assemblyman/Lt. Governor and Acting Governor), which is prohibited by the Atlasian Constitution.  It also makes sure all legislative and executive power isn't possessed by one person.  So, you can't vote in the Assembly or nominate anyone for speaker until after the special election results are certified on Monday - and if you win, you still can't nominate a Speaker, as that's the job of the Assembly, not the Governor.  The Governor is not a member of the Assembly.

The Governor gets to name a Lt. Governor, who can't be Speaker.  Theoretically, you could name a Lt. Governor as Acting Governor, but there's no reason you'd want to, as you'd be replacing yourself as Acting Governor.