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« Reply #725 on: January 01, 2020, 12:10:47 PM »

California
Texas
Florida
New York
Pennsylvania
Illinois
Ohio
Georgia
North Carolina
Michigan
New Jersey
Virginia
Washington
Arizona
Massachusetts
Tennessee
Indiana
Missouri
Maryland
Wisconsin
Colorado
Minnesota
South Carolina
Alabama
Louisiana
Kentucky
Oregon
Oklahoma
Connecticut
Utah
Iowa
Nevada
Arkansas
Mississippi
Kansas
New Mexico
Nebraska
West Virginia
Idaho
Hawaii
New Hampshire
Maine
Montana
Rhode Island
Delaware
South Dakota
North Dakota
Alaska
Vermont
Wyoming
39,512,223
28,995,881
21,477,737
19,453,561
12,801,989
12,671,821
11,689,100
10,617,423
10,488,084
9,986,857
8,882,190
8,535,519
7,614,893
7,278,717
6,892,503
6,829,174
6,732,219
6,137,428
6,045,680
5,822,434
5,758,736
5,639,632
5,148,714
4,903,185
4,648,794
4,467,673
4,217,737
3,956,971
3,565,287
3,205,958
3,155,070
3,080,156
3,017,825
2,976,149
2,913,314
2,096,829
1,934,408
1,792,147
1,787,065
1,415,872
1,359,711
1,344,212
1,068,778
1,059,361
973,764
884,659
762,062
731,545
623,989
578,759
52.589
35.497
26.545
27.355
17.932
18.113
16.285
13.677
13.461
13.953
12.411
11.294
9.493
9.024
9.243
8.959
9.153
8.454
8.150
8.028
7.100
7.487
6.529
6.748
6.400
6.126
5.408
5.296
5.045
3.902
4.301
3.812
4.116
4.190
4.028
2.907
2.578
2.616
2.213
1.920
1.858
1.875
1.397
1.486
1.268
1.149
0.949
1.003
0.883
0.796
52.476
38.510
28.525
25.836
17.002
16.830
15.524
14.101
13.929
13.264
11.797
11.336
10.113
9.667
9.154
9.070
8.941
8.151
8.029
7.733
7.648
7.490
6.838
6.512
6.174
5.934
5.602
5.255
4.735
4.258
4.190
4.091
4.008
3.953
3.869
2.785
2.569
2.380
2.373
1.880
1.806
1.785
1.419
1.407
1.293
1.175
1.012
0.972
0.829
0.769
Goodbye 53rd
Good for gain of 3
Good for 2
27th is gone, 26th hanging on
18th is gone
18th is long gone
Will just slip blow the threshold, goodbye 16th

14th is guaranteed
14th is gone
12th could be lost in 2030
Falls short of 12th

10th is certain


Could save 9th in 2030


8th safe for now, but most likely gone in 2030
Guaranteed 8th
Highly likely loss of 8th

Farewell 7th


6th all but certain

5th could be lost in 2030







3rd safe for now
3rd is history
Possible 3rd in 2030



2nd likely
Loss of 2nd all but guaranteed



Looks like LA could be at risk of losing LA-06 at the 2030 census?
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« Reply #726 on: January 01, 2020, 12:17:26 PM »

California
Texas
Florida
New York
Pennsylvania
Illinois
Ohio
Georgia
North Carolina
Michigan
New Jersey
Virginia
Washington
Arizona
Massachusetts
Tennessee
Indiana
Missouri
Maryland
Wisconsin
Colorado
Minnesota
South Carolina
Alabama
Louisiana
Kentucky
Oregon
Oklahoma
Connecticut
Utah
Iowa
Nevada
Arkansas
Mississippi
Kansas
New Mexico
Nebraska
West Virginia
Idaho
Hawaii
New Hampshire
Maine
Montana
Rhode Island
Delaware
South Dakota
North Dakota
Alaska
Vermont
Wyoming
39,512,223
28,995,881
21,477,737
19,453,561
12,801,989
12,671,821
11,689,100
10,617,423
10,488,084
9,986,857
8,882,190
8,535,519
7,614,893
7,278,717
6,892,503
6,829,174
6,732,219
6,137,428
6,045,680
5,822,434
5,758,736
5,639,632
5,148,714
4,903,185
4,648,794
4,467,673
4,217,737
3,956,971
3,565,287
3,205,958
3,155,070
3,080,156
3,017,825
2,976,149
2,913,314
2,096,829
1,934,408
1,792,147
1,787,065
1,415,872
1,359,711
1,344,212
1,068,778
1,059,361
973,764
884,659
762,062
731,545
623,989
578,759
52.589
35.497
26.545
27.355
17.932
18.113
16.285
13.677
13.461
13.953
12.411
11.294
9.493
9.024
9.243
8.959
9.153
8.454
8.150
8.028
7.100
7.487
6.529
6.748
6.400
6.126
5.408
5.296
5.045
3.902
4.301
3.812
4.116
4.190
4.028
2.907
2.578
2.616
2.213
1.920
1.858
1.875
1.397
1.486
1.268
1.149
0.949
1.003
0.883
0.796
52.476
38.510
28.525
25.836
17.002
16.830
15.524
14.101
13.929
13.264
11.797
11.336
10.113
9.667
9.154
9.070
8.941
8.151
8.029
7.733
7.648
7.490
6.838
6.512
6.174
5.934
5.602
5.255
4.735
4.258
4.190
4.091
4.008
3.953
3.869
2.785
2.569
2.380
2.373
1.880
1.806
1.785
1.419
1.407
1.293
1.175
1.012
0.972
0.829
0.769
Goodbye 53rd
Good for gain of 3
Good for 2
27th is gone, 26th hanging on
18th is gone
18th is long gone
Will just slip blow the threshold, goodbye 16th

14th is guaranteed
14th is gone
12th could be lost in 2030
Falls short of 12th

10th is certain


Could save 9th in 2030


8th safe for now, but most likely gone in 2030
Guaranteed 8th
Highly likely loss of 8th

Farewell 7th


6th all but certain

5th could be lost in 2030







3rd safe for now
3rd is history
Possible 3rd in 2030



2nd likely
Loss of 2nd all but guaranteed



Looks like LA could be at risk of losing LA-06 at the 2030 census?

If Oregon is getting a 6th district at 5.602, wouldn't that require a much faster rate of decline in LA than we saw since 2010?

That said, a major hit to New Orleans is a distinct possibility in this decade.
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« Reply #727 on: January 01, 2020, 01:44:06 PM »

There are eight states that are in a band of about 1% of the ideal break point.

Above the line:

NY(26) 1.004
TX(39) 1.003
FL(29) 1.002
MT(2) 1.001
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AL(6) 0.998
MN(7) 0.997
CA (52) 0.995
OH(15) 0.994

At this point, what is more significant is how accurate the estimates are, than the growth trend for the final 9 months of the census period. Overall drops in growth may mean estimates are more accurate. If a state grew at an estimated 30% during a decade, it may be difficult to determine whether it was 29% or 31%. But it is likely an estimated rate of 2.5% is more accurate.

Based on 2009 estimates, Florida and Texas have not yet gained their 39th and 29th seat respectively, while Alabama and Ohio have not lost their 7th and 16th seat respectively.

New York year-to-year change has dropped every year this decade. That is, its second derivative is negative, and its population is in parabolic decline. After the 2011 estimate, it was projected that New York would keep its 27th seat. Since then, smaller increases, which have have become decreases since 2016 put New York at risk of losing two representatives. A projection based on estimates from 2010-2019 would result in a surplus of around 130K. But the average annual gain from 2010 to 2019 was around 6K, while the loss for 2018-2019 was 76K. If we project a loss of 95K for 2020 based on recent trends, that would be a deficit of 100K (75K for nine months) which would eat into more than half of the projected surplus. Much will depend on how accurate the revisions in estimates of international migration were. International emigration is difficult to measure since it depends on measuring persons who no longer exist.

Birth records are accurate. Death records are accurate. Estimates of domestic migration based on IRS and SSA records may be reasonably accurate. If New York keeps a 26th representative it may be lost before the 2020 census results are announced. New York is projected to lose 1.634 representatives (from 27.243 to 25.609). They are in a favorable position for rounding.

Texas year-to-year peaked near mid-decade with $100/bbl oil, and then dropped when the price drop to $30/bbl. By 2019, the price has been around $55/bbl which is profitable in the Permian Basin, but not necessarily elsewhere. The year-to-year increase has recovered to near the decade average, and the Texas increase as a share of the national increase was a decade high of 23.7%. Texas has a 147K surplus for the 39th seat and should maintain that. The caveat is whether the Census estimate of 16.6% (2nd highest to Utah) has been accurate.

Florida started the decade recovering from the housing bubble, but by mid-decade growth in 2016 was almost double that of 2017. Since then growth has dropped rather sharply, with 2019 growth almost back to to 2011 levels. Continuation of the trend would make 2020 less than 2011, eating into Florida's 106K surplus. Florida may benefit from the short 9-month interval to the Census. Again the final determination will largely hinge on the quality of estimates.

Montana has been just below the population necessary for a second seat ever since it lost its second seat. Some years it looked might it gain it back and others not. With an economy highly dependent on natural resources and tourism, growth can be volatile. Population is projected to increase by 8.7%, slightly above the national average of 6.8%, but enough for a gain of 0.023 representatives to put Montana over the cusp. With a surplus of just 3300, Montana may be harmed by the April 1 Census date, as seasonal Montanans may not have returned from Arizona.

Alabama had its peak increase in 2019, but it is projected to be about 15K short of keeping the 7th seat. But its total growth for the decade is only 133K. It would essentially have to double its growth rate of the last decade, or hope that some people have been missed.

Minnesota may illustrate an apportionment paradox. It is projected to increase 6.86% for the decade, versus 6.83% for the US as a whole. It's share of the US population is increasing, while its share of representation is decreasing. The entitlement is an increase from 7.472 to 7.474. In effect, Minnesota was lucky not to have lost its 8th seat in 2010.
Minnesota is projected to be about 23K short of keeping its 8th seat. But that it is about 2/3 of its average annual growth. 2019 was Minnesota's 3rd lowest year. It is not likely to have that much in a 9-month period, so its hope depends on inaccurate estimates over time.

California over the first half of the decade had strong growth of over 300K per year. Since 2015 it has plummeted (249K, 191K, 103K, 51K). Based on recent trends, California may have essentially no population growth this year. California may be experiencing a delayed effect of the recovery from the housing bubble. Home owners who were upside down on mortgages have been able to finally cash out, and move to states with more affordable housing. California is 222K short of keeping a 53rd representative and may pile up as much more in the final 9 months of the decade.

Ohio is 80K short of keeping its 16th seat. It's growth has been meager and sporadic. 80K is equivalent to an average of 5 years growth, and 3 of the best year.
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« Reply #728 on: January 01, 2020, 06:15:06 PM »

Good breakdown jimrtex. The only thing that I would add is that CA is pouring in millions to assist the census 'discover' residents. The South Valley has a lot of hard-to-reach migratory groups, and CA is pouring in money to ensure every resident is counted, especially those groups missed in 2010. The margin of error around projections therefore is larger here and in other border states, so it's one thing working in the states favor. In contrast, TX has a lot of hard-to-reach groups as well, but the state is putting aside 0$ to assist in contacting their residents (for political reasons of course) so the MOE around those projections is less in their favor.
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« Reply #729 on: January 01, 2020, 08:31:53 PM »
« Edited: January 02, 2020, 10:30:22 AM by jimrtex »

2020 Pop is projected population in millions for April 2020, based on April 2010 (base) and July 2019 estimate.

2010 Ent is based on geometric mean.  sqrt((pop/quota)2 + 0.25). Quota is adjusted so that states sum to 435 (about 0.43%). A state with n.500 will be near the dividing line for gaining a n+1 representative.

2020 Ent is based on geometric mean.

2010-2020 is difference in 2020 entitlement minus 2010 entitlement. For example, Mississippi can be said to have lost about 1/4 a representative.

Rank Val is the ranking quotient, for a state receiving an n+1 district if 2020 entitlement was n.xxxx. pop/sqrt(n*(n+1)). Values are normalized by dividing by the adjusted quota, so that values above 1 will generally indicate that the state will gain the extra seat (since 435 seats are apportioned, it is possible that some states above 1 will not gain a seat, or that some below 1 will gain a seat. In this case it happens that Montana(2) with 1.001 is the 435th seat.

2020 is the projected apportionment for 2020.

Change is change in apportionment from 2010.

Next is guesstimate of next change based on 2010-2020 trend. If blank, no change is expected through 2050. Trends out that far are unreliable anyway.

State2020 Pop2010 Ent2020 Ent2010-2020Rank Val2020ChangeNext
Hawaii1.4201.9761.935-0.0421.32220
New Hampshire1.3631.9171.862-0.0551.26820
Maine1.3461.9331.840-0.0931.25220
Mississippi2.9774.2023.948-0.2531.13140L 2040/50
New Mexico2.1002.9372.808-0.1301.12830L 2040/50
Kansas2.9184.0413.872-0.1691.10840L 2040/50
Kentucky4.4786.1205.913-0.2071.07660L 2040/50
Maryland6.0688.1318.000-0.1311.06780
South Carolina5.1946.5216.8520.3311.05470G 2040/50
Connecticut3.5655.0494.717-0.3321.04950L 2030/40
Indiana6.7539.1288.899-0.2291.04790L 2040/50
Nebraska1.9432.6152.605-0.0101.04430
North Carolina10.56913.41313.9150.5021.03114+1G 2030/40
Wisconsin5.8348.0107.692-0.3181.02680L2030
Colorado5.8227.0877.6770.5901.0248+1G 2040
Pennsylvania12.81017.86216.862-1.0001.02217-1L 2030
Oregon4.2515.4085.6150.2071.0216+1
Arizona7.3568.9999.6910.6921.02010+1G 2040
New Jersey8.89012.36811.707-0.6611.018120L 2030
Illinois12.65918.04316.663-1.3801.01017-1LL 2030
New York19.46027.24325.609-1.6341.00426-1LL 2030
Texas29.33335.34938.5973.2481.00339+3GGG 2030
Florida21.71026.43728.5702.1331.00229+2GG 2030
Montana1.0751.4781.5010.0231.0012+1
Alabama4.9136.7386.484-0.2540.9986-1
Minnesota5.6687.4727.4740.0020.9977-1
California39.70152.36852.238-0.1300.99552-1
Ohio11.70216.22415.404-0.8200.99415-1L 2040
Rhode Island1.0601.5621.481-0.0810.9861-1
Virginia8.58011.25811.3010.0430.983110
Michigan9.99513.90213.161-0.7420.97513-1L 2030
Georgia10.69713.62814.0830.4550.971140G 2030/40
Idaho1.8062.2602.4280.1690.97020G 2030
Washington7.6929.46510.1330.6680.965100G 2030
West Virginia1.7872.6522.404-0.2480.9602-1
Massachusetts6.9219.2179.120-0.0970.96090
Oklahoma3.9745.2975.253-0.0440.95550
Utah3.2453.9174.2980.3810.95540G 2030
Missouri6.1508.4338.107-0.3260.95480L 2040/50
Tennessee6.8708.9349.0530.1180.95390
Louisiana4.6586.3926.149-0.2430.94660L 2050
Iowa3.1644.3124.193-0.1190.93140
Nevada3.1133.8294.1260.2980.91640G 2030/40
Delaware0.9801.3581.3830.0260.91210
Arkansas3.0264.1294.013-0.1160.89040
South Dakota0.8911.2491.2740.0250.82910
North Dakota0.7701.0691.1300.0600.71610
Alaska0.7331.1171.087-0.0300.68210
Vermont0.6241.0120.961-0.0510.58010
Wyoming0.5800.9370.912-0.0250.54010
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« Reply #730 on: January 01, 2020, 10:46:02 PM »

Good breakdown jimrtex. The only thing that I would add is that CA is pouring in millions to assist the census 'discover' residents. The South Valley has a lot of hard-to-reach migratory groups, and CA is pouring in money to ensure every resident is counted, especially those groups missed in 2010. The margin of error around projections therefore is larger here and in other border states, so it's one thing working in the states favor. In contrast, TX has a lot of hard-to-reach groups as well, but the state is putting aside 0$ to assist in contacting their residents (for political reasons of course) so the MOE around those projections is less in their favor.
It is unclear whether you are referring to the San Joaquin Valley, or southern San Fernando Valley.

Estimates of undercount(PDF)

The undercount for California in 2020 is estimated to be 0.60%, while California is estimated to be short by 0.5% of holding on to its 53rd seat.

There might be areas where the undercount was higher, but also lower such as in Marin. And is the mass outreach effective?
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« Reply #731 on: January 02, 2020, 12:37:22 AM »

Good breakdown jimrtex. The only thing that I would add is that CA is pouring in millions to assist the census 'discover' residents. The South Valley has a lot of hard-to-reach migratory groups, and CA is pouring in money to ensure every resident is counted, especially those groups missed in 2010. The margin of error around projections therefore is larger here and in other border states, so it's one thing working in the states favor. In contrast, TX has a lot of hard-to-reach groups as well, but the state is putting aside 0$ to assist in contacting their residents (for political reasons of course) so the MOE around those projections is less in their favor.
It is unclear whether you are referring to the San Joaquin Valley, or southern San Fernando Valley.

Estimates of undercount(PDF)

The undercount for California in 2020 is estimated to be 0.60%, while California is estimated to be short by 0.5% of holding on to its 53rd seat.

There might be areas where the undercount was higher, but also lower such as in Marin. And is the mass outreach effective?

Not OP, but I’m assuming Oryx means the south part of the Central Valley/San Joaquin Valley, which is a big farming area full of migrants.
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« Reply #732 on: January 02, 2020, 10:32:04 AM »

Based on 2010-2020 change Texas will surpass California in population in late 2053, when both states will have over 49 million.
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« Reply #733 on: January 02, 2020, 10:42:23 AM »
« Edited: January 02, 2020, 10:46:43 AM by Oryxslayer »

Good breakdown jimrtex. The only thing that I would add is that CA is pouring in millions to assist the census 'discover' residents. The South Valley has a lot of hard-to-reach migratory groups, and CA is pouring in money to ensure every resident is counted, especially those groups missed in 2010. The margin of error around projections therefore is larger here and in other border states, so it's one thing working in the states favor. In contrast, TX has a lot of hard-to-reach groups as well, but the state is putting aside 0$ to assist in contacting their residents (for political reasons of course) so the MOE around those projections is less in their favor.
It is unclear whether you are referring to the San Joaquin Valley, or southern San Fernando Valley.

Estimates of undercount(PDF)

The undercount for California in 2020 is estimated to be 0.60%, while California is estimated to be short by 0.5% of holding on to its 53rd seat.

There might be areas where the undercount was higher, but also lower such as in Marin. And is the mass outreach effective?

Not OP, but I’m assuming Oryx means the south part of the Central Valley/San Joaquin Valley, which is a big farming area full of migrants.

Yep. I'm not saying the projections will be wrong, this census ACS data is good. However, every state has a MOE around these projections, which you tried to describe. All I'm saying is that some states have smaller or wider MOE's, and certain states and regions are trying their hardest to make the MOE move in their favor.

Generally, hard to count regions are Rural + Residential Minority, be it AA, Canadian, Native, or most notably Hispanic.
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« Reply #734 on: January 02, 2020, 11:17:45 AM »

Really surprised at VA being below average considering the Amazon HQ2 decision in late 2018. Of course, it could be statistical noise - @cinyc do you have at hand the VA growth estimates and the national estimates?

Amazon hasn't really begun hiring for their HQ2 campus, and while they've ramped up hiring for the AWS offices, there hasn't been the seismic impact on population the full-fledged campus will have. The HQ2 location in Arlington isn't slated to be fully completed until Q1 2023 so it might be a while to see a noticeable effect.

VA now cycles with federal spending/employment growth as a % of the total US economy.  That was unusually high during 2010-14 and has fallen dramatically since then as the rest of the economy took off.  IMO that's all you need to explain VA last decade.

This.  Bad economies are good for government employees + spending, while hot ones are not.
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« Reply #735 on: March 21, 2020, 10:36:37 AM »

Are county population estimates still expected sometime this month, or are they expected to be delayed due to the COVID-19 outbreak?
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« Reply #736 on: March 21, 2020, 10:40:28 AM »

Are county population estimates still expected sometime this month, or are they expected to be delayed due to the COVID-19 outbreak?

Still planned for release this Thursday:

https://www.calendarwiz.com/calendars/popup.php?op=view&id=139838361&crd=cens1sample
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« Reply #737 on: March 21, 2020, 10:50:26 AM »

Are county population estimates still expected sometime this month, or are they expected to be delayed due to the COVID-19 outbreak?

Still planned for release this Thursday:

https://www.calendarwiz.com/calendars/popup.php?op=view&id=139838361&crd=cens1sample

Probably won't change the release date.  The data has probably been ready for a week or two now.
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« Reply #738 on: March 24, 2020, 05:07:28 AM »

What's the likelihood Coronavirus will have a significant impact on the census? I'm not thinking of the worst-case scenario of massive death tolls, so much as the likelihood that the census response rate is lower and more variable than usual and that the economic dislocation means fewer people move between states.
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« Reply #739 on: March 24, 2020, 06:55:02 AM »

What's the likelihood Coronavirus will have a significant impact on the census? I'm not thinking of the worst-case scenario of massive death tolls, so much as the likelihood that the census response rate is lower and more variable than usual and that the economic dislocation means fewer people move between states.

The response rate is currently about 9% higher, not lower, than during the early days of 2010.

The question will be: does the trend of favorable internet/mail/phone returns keep up until May/June, or will it drop off later on ?

Also, the process of visiting homes who have not responded is unclear: will they still visit non-responding/remote households, but with protective gear and a 6 feet distance ? Or just remote areas ? Or not at all ? They have time until August to visit. Or they extend into the fall and delay the publishing of the results into next year.
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« Reply #740 on: March 24, 2020, 07:06:10 AM »

I guess in terms of movement of people, you'd probably expect a similar impact to after the financial crisis hit, but at a higher intensity?
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« Reply #741 on: March 24, 2020, 07:22:48 AM »

I guess in terms of movement of people, you'd probably expect a similar impact to after the financial crisis hit, but at a higher intensity?

Probably.

For census taking, it is actually better if people are not bouncing and moving around between states and rather stay home.
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« Reply #742 on: March 24, 2020, 01:19:28 PM »

I guess in terms of movement of people, you'd probably expect a similar impact to after the financial crisis hit, but at a higher intensity?

Probably.

For census taking, it is actually better if people are not bouncing and moving around between states and rather stay home.

Except, perhaps, for college students who have been kicked out of their dorms. Census says they still should be counted on campus, but parents might be putting them on their home forms. There’s a process for removing duplicates. It’s probably more important now than ever.
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« Reply #743 on: March 26, 2020, 12:15:40 AM »

Are county population estimates still expected sometime this month, or are they expected to be delayed due to the COVID-19 outbreak?

The mid-2019 county and metro area estimates are now out:

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2020/pop-estimates-county-metro.html

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-kits/2020/pop-estimates-county-metro.html
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« Reply #744 on: March 26, 2020, 08:53:00 AM »

Welp, Metro Phoenix just pushed Metro Boston out of the top 10 largest MSAs.
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« Reply #745 on: March 26, 2020, 11:31:57 AM »

Wow, Washtenaw MI lost population last year
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« Reply #746 on: March 26, 2020, 11:37:23 AM »

Hurry up and rebound Los Angeles. There is no reason we shouldn't be adding 100k+ annually except for the damn nimbys.
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« Reply #747 on: March 26, 2020, 11:50:22 AM »

My county grew by about 600.
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« Reply #748 on: March 26, 2020, 03:46:09 PM »

Interactive map:

https://cinycmaps.com/index.php/2-uncategorized/51-2019-county-population-change-mutlimap

Default map is 2010EB-2019 Percentage change. Click on Menu to see yearly maps, PCT (percentage) and NUM (numerical change), like 2018-19.
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« Reply #749 on: March 26, 2020, 04:51:55 PM »

Interactive map:

https://cinycmaps.com/index.php/2-uncategorized/51-2019-county-population-change-mutlimap

Default map is 2010EB-2019 Percentage change. Click on Menu to see yearly maps, PCT (percentage) and NUM (numerical change), like 2018-19.
Your maps are always a welcome sight.
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