Two wounded in San Antonio theater shooting thwarted by security guard

[krazen1211]

Actually most of these mass shootings actually have a high level of planning involved.  This isn't usually somebody simply snapping.  This is usually something they think about for a while and daydream scenarios. Some leave behind the evidence of their plans- Breivik, Cho, Harris/Klebold, Holmes and looks like Lanza had plans but destroyed his electronic trail.

James Holmes lived in Aurora for a year or so, and explicitly plotted the details of his attack. It of course is quite logical to make yourself familiar with the theater that lacks security and emergency door alarms. The man surrendered to the cops and was clearly not interested in a shootout.

[Vosem]

This thread is quite telling about certain posters. And krazen isn't one of them.

[patrick1]

Actually most of these mass shootings actually have a high level of planning involved.  This isn't usually somebody simply snapping.  This is usually something they think about for a while and daydream scenarios. Some leave behind the evidence of their plans- Breivik, Cho, Harris/Klebold, Holmes and looks like Lanza had plans but destroyed his electronic trail.

James Holmes lived in Aurora for a year or so, and explicitly plotted the details of his attack. It of course is quite logical to make yourself familiar with the theater that lacks security and emergency door alarms. The man surrendered to the cops and was clearly not interested in a shootout.

Sure, however what exactly are you proposing...A weird, mix of Dodge City or a police state.

[TheDeadFlagBlues]

This thread is an abdication of responsibility and implicitly shows how accepting certain elements of movement conservatism are with constant homicides. What is an easier solution to firearm violence: placing security guards armed to the hilt on every street corner to mitigate it in a minor way and in the process have loads of collateral damage or to devise strict gun control? It's your choose and you'll pick whatever solution allows you your SECOND AMENDMENT LIBERTIES! Where is your militia, you ignorant pricks?

[SPC]

Not sure what the intent of this thread is. Does krazen own stock in a security guard staffing company?  Not like anybody is anti security guard.

Really? Then why did the Cinemark theater in Aurora have no security guards and a gun ban, while neighboring theaters allowed its patrons to carry guns and had a greater security force?

At the risk of getting drawn in, I'll venture to say that the Cinemark in Aurora had no security guards because it's a cheap theater and guards cost money, and had a gun ban because gun bans are good (God forgive me for this pun) security theater.

Gun bans are good security theater?

Do you consider it a coincidence that Holmes chose the theater with the gun ban rather than one closer to his home or a larger theater with more people in which he could inflict more damage?

Or maybe -- and this is what sane, responsible people think -- maybe he simply chose the theater he had the most experience visiting. Insane gunmen don't typically commit their crimes in unfamiliar locales. Maybe, when you snap to the point that you're willing to take out your insanity on a school full of innocent young children, you don't have a sane, logical plan.

Then why did he only kill himself when the police arrived? Given that it is known that the killer commited suicide when the first armed people arrived on the scene, doesn't it stand to reason that the elevated likelyhood of a shootout deterred the killer from killing any more innocents? If so, then wouldn't have armed people in the vicinity rather than several minutes away have a similar deterrent effect without the unnecessary carnage in the time it took for the police to arrive?

[badgate]

Thank god the security guard knew what he was doing. Owning a firearm is a sacred American responsibility, but it only makes us safer if the person responsibly trains themselves on the weapon, and it's great for 2nd Amnd advocates to have a model citizen display that at this time.

[Franzl]

Owning a firearm is a sacred American responsibility 

what

[All Along The Watchtower]

Owning a firearm is a sacred American responsibility 

what

That's actually very frank for a gun nut.

[badgate]

I don't own any guns...

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

This thread is an abdication of responsibility and implicitly shows how accepting certain elements of movement conservatism are with constant homicides. What is an easier solution to firearm violence: placing security guards armed to the hilt on every street corner to mitigate it in a minor way and in the process have loads of collateral damage or to devise strict gun control? It's your choose and you'll pick whatever solution allows you your SECOND AMENDMENT LIBERTIES! Where is your militia, you ignorant pricks?

Kinda a false choice. How do you think strict gun control will be enforced?  In a society with so many guns, it will require a strong, pervasive, invasive police presence to take away all those newly banned weapons.  "Stop and frisk" on steroids. Sure they'll go after the militiamen, but you can expect some racial profiling as well.

I wish we weren't so gun happy in America.  It hasn't proven to be any kind of a check on tyranny for a long time.  All it means is that the government gets ever bigger weapons to overwhelm it.  We end up with the Dept of Education having it's own SWAT teams.  So if we can become a genuinely less loaded society that'd be great - but I'm concerned about what policies to get there would actually look like.

[Badger]

Excellant point, Krazen. Good point to temper the rush to prohibit sheriffs deputies from arrying handguns! Good to see you've broken your post-election torpor to ooze trolljuice across the forum.