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Author Topic: KY-PPP: Kentucky is Hillary Clinton country (against Rand Paul and Marco Rubio)  (Read 13814 times)
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« on: December 09, 2012, 02:09:29 am »

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« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2012, 02:14:13 am »

Yeah, as expected.

The WV and AR polls involving Hillary should also be fun.

I remember that in May 2008, we had polls that had Hillary ahead by 5 in these 3 states and Obama down by 15-20 in the same polls ... Tongue
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« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2012, 02:26:46 am »

I've been trying to tell you guys. Clinton's win is going to be massive. Imagine Obama's numbers with minorities, four more years of minority population growth, and Clinton out-performing him by >5% with white voters. No state will be safe.
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« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2012, 02:41:41 am »

I've been trying to tell you guys. Clinton's win is going to be massive. Imagine Obama's numbers with minorities, four more years of minority population growth, and Clinton out-performing him by >5% with white voters. No state will be safe.
I am sure Utah and Idaho and Oklahoma will still vote for Republicans.
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2012, 02:46:30 am »

If she runs, and Obama walks out of office with 55-60% ratings with a solid, rehabilitated economy and also not repeats the Clinton-Gore error of non-campaigning and chooses to campaign with Hillary, that should drive up her margins with Blacks and other minorities, she'll win quite big.
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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2012, 03:38:04 am »

It's still way too early to say someone would easily win.
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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2012, 03:41:53 am »

Nope. All 50 states SAFE HILLARY. 65% popular nationally, and over 400 EVs. Not a question, no point of even having an election.

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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2012, 04:47:29 am »

The Upper South's swing against Obama has nothing to do with racism. Nothing at all.
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2012, 05:30:45 am »

This sort of thing really makes you wonder if there mightn't be more of an underlying economic/class consciousness waiting to burst forth than any of us have given america credit for...

Obama's election could in fact just be the first part of something even bigger..  Dare we hope for some real socialism one day?
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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2012, 07:55:55 am »

This is a map showing the difference between Obama vs. McCain and Clinton vs. McCain - using the SUSA poll from February 2008, which polled all 50 states at the same time using these 2 pairings:



http://www.surveyusa.com/ECV_50-State_results_030608_vs_Obama.html

http://www.surveyusa.com/ECV_50-State_results_030608_vs_Clinton.html
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« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2012, 07:59:04 am »

Too bad that neither of those two jokes is going to be the Republican candidate.
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« Reply #11 on: December 09, 2012, 08:00:55 am »

Too bad that neither of those two jokes is going to be the Republican candidate.

I think they used them in their matchups because they needed someone from Kentucky (Paul) and the one that led their current national GOP primary poll (Rubio).
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« Reply #12 on: December 09, 2012, 08:42:21 am »

What about Clinton vs Christie?
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« Reply #13 on: December 09, 2012, 08:47:55 am »


They are not including too many candidates right now for cost reasons I think.

Probably only a local candidate and their national GOP primary leader against Hillary.

Let's be happy that they polled a 2016 matchup at all, at this early point ... Wink
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« Reply #14 on: December 09, 2012, 09:03:05 am »

If Obama leaves with even a 45-50% approval rating, Hillary wins. Remember, these same people who won't vote for Obama but will vote for other Democrats (hmm, I wonder why) are also not going to approve of Obama in polls. Hillary will likely lose some support with Blacks, mostly in turnout. I wouldn't be surprised if they went down to 11-12% of the electorate with about 88-90% voting for Hillary. But the Asian and Hispanic proportion of the electorate will continue to grow and I don't see why Hillary won't get the same huge margins that Obama did.
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« Reply #15 on: December 09, 2012, 09:07:04 am »


They are not including too many candidates right now for cost reasons I think.

Probably only a local candidate and their national GOP primary leader against Hillary.

Let's be happy that they polled a 2016 matchup at all, at this early point ... Wink
Let's not. What a terrible waste of ressources that could have gone into polls about policy questions.
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« Reply #16 on: December 09, 2012, 09:18:37 am »

A considerably favorable general election prospect might end up hurting her in a hypothetical primary run as Democrats may start thinking they would have margin to spare for a more left-wing candidate as nominee.
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« Reply #17 on: December 09, 2012, 09:36:38 am »

I've been trying to tell you guys. Clinton's win is going to be massive. Imagine Obama's numbers with minorities, four more years of minority population growth, and Clinton out-performing him by >5% with white voters. No state will be safe.

Lief's trolling is getting better and better.
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« Reply #18 on: December 09, 2012, 09:38:25 am »

I think they just leaked the candidates she led. Christie could be beating her. (I wonder why Rubio doesn't...)
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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2012, 09:43:02 am »

Even if she does run, I don't expect her to win states like KY or WV. National Democratic policy just isn't a fit for those states anymore.
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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2012, 09:45:19 am »

I'm actually thrilled with this poll. It proves that this Hillary Love Fest is temporary and not reflective of one's political beliefs/actual future vote.

Hillary will obviously easily lose Kentucky. Anyone not putting on a comedy routine (my dear friend Lief) knows this.
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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2012, 09:46:59 am »

I doubt Hillary Clinton could actually win Kentucky after a normal presidential campaign.

And if she does, she's already got a huge nationwide landslide (not impossible).
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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2012, 01:36:33 pm »

Call me skeptical.



Obama may be an exceptionally bad fit for Appalachia, but the Democrats' decline there is certainly not "just Obama". (Hint: The above map is the trend map from a year other than 2008 or 2012.)
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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2012, 05:15:26 pm »

Too bad that neither of those two jokes is going to be the Republican candidate.

So which joke is it going to be, do you think?  I guess probably Rick Perry, so he's an awfully good fit for these states.
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« Reply #24 on: December 09, 2012, 05:19:59 pm »

Wasn't Rudy Giuliani leading in Connecticut and many other New England states during the days before the 08 primaries?
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