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« on: December 08, 2012, 03:10:38 PM »

Seems to me to be a denominational thing.  Is either even mentioned in the Bible?  The Episcopal church my family attended when I was a little kid made not a mention of either in the several years my parents made me go, yet it seems to be a center-piece in some Southern churches. 

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« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2012, 03:17:59 PM »

Most Christians do believe in Satan and Hell.  Particular passages to look at is Luke 16, the story of the rich man and Lazarus (not Mary and Martha's brother who was raised from the dead by Jesus).  In this passage, Lazarus was a poor beggar and the rich man, well, was rich.  Both men died and the rich man went to Hell and Lazarus to Heaven.  Lazarus was seated in Abraham's bosom.  The rich man was in such torment that he cried out to Abraham to have Lazarus just dip his finger in water and put it on his tongue.  The rich man also begged Abraham to send Lazarus back to his friends and family and get them to avoid coming to the dreadful place where the rich man was.  Hell does exist, and it is prepared for the devil and his angels and all who will reject Christ on earth.
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« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2012, 03:20:34 PM »

What do you even mean by the question?
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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2012, 03:28:40 PM »

Yes, Hell is mentioned, whether the Hebrew "Sheol" ("the Pit") or the Greek "Gehenna" ("the Trash Heap") or the Greek "Tartarus" (What the ancient Greeks called Hell).  The depictions of it are not particularly fleshed out, though, outside of a few choice quotes that always get brought up ("Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched").
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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2012, 03:30:36 PM »

Hell and the devil is an integral part of Christianity, but since many modern Christians don't really believe in it, some churches downplay it and try to ignore it in their sermons.
Hell is never mentioned in Danish Lutheran services. Its just a hard sell to the churchgoers and not part of the "Christ is love" package they try to sell to increasingly alienated and secularized members. I guess the same phenomenon exists in US mainline churches.
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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2012, 03:33:59 PM »

On the general subject of Hell

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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2012, 03:56:57 PM »

Depends on what you mean by Hell.  If you mean as a place of everlasting torment for sinners, then no.  Seventh-Day Adventists are about as literal as you get in interpreting the Bible and they don't believe in such a place.  My understanding of their general view is best summed up as when you die, your soul sleeps until the time for final judgement, at which time if you are an unredeemed sinner, your soul is consigned to a destruction which will take an amount of time depending on how sinful you were and then once finished, it's over, you no longer are and you never will be again.
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2012, 04:01:33 PM »
« Edited: December 08, 2012, 04:06:26 PM by Celebrate the Christ Child »

Depends on what you mean by Hell.  If you mean as a place of everlasting torment for sinners, then no.  Seventh-Day Adventists are about as literal as you get in interpreting the Bible and they don't believe in such a place.  My understanding of their general view is best summed up as when you die, your soul sleeps until the time for final judgement, at which time if you are an unredeemed sinner, your soul is consigned to a destruction which will take an amount of time depending on how sinful you were and then once finished, it's over, you no longer are and you never will be again.

That is not quite accurate.  Everybody will live forever.  Once this life is over, they will either live forever in the presence of God in heaven or they will live forever in eternal torment in the Lake of Fire which is known as Hell, or Hades as some translations call it.

And, to add, works has nothing to do where you spend eternity.  It is all based on ONE decision, the decision whether to believe on Jesus Christ and accept His sacrifice which is available for men freely.  "For by grace are ye saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves.  It is the gift of God:  Not of works, lest any man should boast." - Ephesians 2:8-9, KJV
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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2012, 04:08:27 PM »

He was answering a question, do all Christians believe in Satan/Hell? And the answer is No.
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2012, 04:21:45 PM »

You're right, my bad, he was answering a question.
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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2012, 05:27:04 PM »
« Edited: December 08, 2012, 05:28:53 PM by HockeyDude »


Ummmm.... it's a relatively simple question.  Is it in the Bible?  If not, then why is mentioned?
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« Reply #11 on: December 08, 2012, 06:08:03 PM »

The vast majority do, but not all of them agree with BushOk's conception of Hell and Satan. I certainly don't believe in a "lake of fire."
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« Reply #12 on: December 08, 2012, 06:12:51 PM »


Ummmm.... it's a relatively simple question.  Is it in the Bible?  If not, then why is mentioned?

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« Reply #13 on: December 08, 2012, 09:23:51 PM »

A vast majority of Christians believe in some sort of hell, although Adventists and some liberal churches deny it's existence. There is considerable debate about what exactly is. (Lake of fire, cast out from God, etc.)
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« Reply #14 on: December 08, 2012, 09:26:09 PM »

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« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2012, 09:38:28 PM »

A vast majority of Christians believe in some sort of hell, although Adventists and some liberal churches deny it's existence. There is considerable debate about what exactly is. (Lake of fire, cast out from God, etc.)

Southern Baptists generally believe it is both a lake of fire and eternal separation from God which is worse than the fire.
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« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2012, 09:42:45 PM »

But is it worse than Oklahoma City?
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« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2012, 09:49:12 PM »


Millions of times worse.  Oklahoma City is one of the best cities in the nation.
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« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2012, 10:29:45 PM »


Millions of times worse.  Oklahoma City is one of the best cities in the nation.

Seek professional help.
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« Reply #19 on: December 08, 2012, 10:35:57 PM »


Millions of times worse.  Oklahoma City is one of the best cities in the nation.

Seek professional help.

I may not seek professional help, but I will seek divine help.
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« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2012, 11:56:31 PM »

The Bible does mention something like "hell" in Matthew and Revelation, among other books.

But, the Hebrew Bible doesn't mention hell specifically and at various points the Bible basically says that death is final and implies hell doesn't exist.  The Bible basically allows a ton of different interpretations because it was written by many people who often contradict each other. 
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« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2012, 05:20:28 AM »


Millions of times worse.  Oklahoma City is one of the best cities in the nation.

Can you name one single thing about OKC that is actually worthwhile AND can't be found better in a more civilized part of the country and/or world?
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« Reply #22 on: December 09, 2012, 08:29:13 AM »
« Edited: December 09, 2012, 08:40:34 AM by DemPGH »

Important to mention that the current concept of hell that's in the popular culture comes from Dante in the 1300s. His Inferno is kind of like a horror story - he invented all sorts of torments and punishments that range from bizarre to sick and twisted, and he put there the souls of all the people he personally disliked or thought were immoral. That's where this hell business in the West comes from. An overactive imagination that loved to conceptualize torment in the 1300s.

I'd say the vast majority of Christians fear the possibility of it, but what's in the Bible is what people have said: a few very vague references to a Nether World like region, but who goes there or what it is is nowhere clear.

Oh, check out a survey book called The History of Hell by Alice K. Turner - I've seen it, but I don't have it. It's not a heavy read, there are a lot of pictures, and she covers the concept from the ancient Egyptians all the way up the 19th century.
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« Reply #23 on: December 09, 2012, 12:37:05 PM »


I'd say the vast majority of Christians fear the possibility of it, but what's in the Bible is what people have said: a few very vague references to a Nether World like region, but who goes there or what it is is nowhere clear.


Yeah, the possibility of it is a pretty much generally accepted concept and often considered pretty key to Christian soteriology and eschatology, but many churches and theologians advise against treating or thinking of it or its nature with any degree of certainty, on the grounds that it's presumptuous, prideful (even despair can be construed as prideful under most forms of the Christian definition), and judgmental in the way that Jesus tells us not to be.
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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2012, 07:05:38 AM »
« Edited: December 10, 2012, 08:43:47 AM by Kalwejt »


Millions of times worse.  Oklahoma City is one of the best cities in the nation.

Seek professional help.

I may not seek professional help, but I will seek divine help.

Good job proving Al's point.
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