Austrian Parliamentary Election - Sept. 29

[peterould]

The "Grüne Andersrum", the LGBT-branch of the Greens, have released their poster campaign and 1 ad:

http://www.gruene-andersrum.at/oesterreich/artikel/lesen/90081

Why does LGBT advertising always seem to have to focus on sex? There are constant complaints that being LGB is not just about sex and then that whole argument is undermined with this kind of material.

[Tender Branson]

Team Stronach's statements about the death penalty came up in an ORF program called "election drive", in which a journalist drives front-runners to election events in a 1970s Mercedes and interviews them while driving:

http://orf.at/wahl13/video/6635247.html

When Stronach talked about his support for the death penalty, his secretary Kathrin Nachbaur was in the backseat and when she was asked about the death penalty, she said with a pretty ashamed view: "I think people here wouldn't accept this."

Nachbaur has a lot to do now, stating that the Team Stronach does NOT support the death penalty, only Frank Stronach himself.

I guess she already knew in the car that this is going to be a big own-goal.

[peterould]

Team Stronach's statements about the death penalty came up in an ORF program called "election drive", in which a journalist drives front-runners to election events in a 1970s Mercedes and interviews them while driving:

http://orf.at/wahl13/video/6635247.html

When Stronach talked about his support for the death penalty, his secretary Kathrin Nachbaur was in the backseat and when she was asked about the death penalty, she said with a pretty ashamed view: "I think people here wouldn't accept this."

Nachbaur has a lot to do now, stating that the Team Stronach does NOT support the death penalty, only Frank Stronach himself.

I guess she already knew in the car that this is going to be a big own-goal.

It seems a bizarre format. A slight to camera whilst driving is fine, but how can you interview someone whilst at the wheel? Health and Safety nightmare!

[Tender Branson]

Let's hope Faymann attacks Stronach in their debate tonight for his death penalty comment.

[Tender Branson]

Apparently, opinion pollster Market is polling Austrians right now about the death penalty for child killers ...

I'm interested in the results.

I have never seen a death penalty poll for Austria - ever.

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

The "Grüne Andersrum", the LGBT-branch of the Greens, have released their poster campaign and 1 ad:

http://www.gruene-andersrum.at/oesterreich/artikel/lesen/90081

Why does LGBT advertising always seem to have to focus on sex? There are constant complaints that being LGB is not just about sex and then that whole argument is undermined with this kind of material.

Yeah if they wanted to make the point for equality, a smiling happy same-sex couple on their wedding day would be nice, or something, but apperently all we gays do is have sex. <.<

[Tender Branson]

The "Grüne Andersrum", the LGBT-branch of the Greens, have released their poster campaign and 1 ad:

http://www.gruene-andersrum.at/oesterreich/artikel/lesen/90081

Why does LGBT advertising always seem to have to focus on sex? There are constant complaints that being LGB is not just about sex and then that whole argument is undermined with this kind of material.

Yeah if they wanted to make the point for equality, a smiling happy same-sex couple on their wedding day would be nice, or something, but apperently all we gays do is have sex. <.<

No, I think it has to do with what's written ON the posters:

"Our favourite position: The equality position."

And you forget that it's election campaign: A poster with a smiling same-sex couple on wedding day doesn't make it into newspapers, these posters do ...

[Tender Branson]

Team Stronach's statements about the death penalty came up in an ORF program called "election drive", in which a journalist drives front-runners to election events in a 1970s Mercedes and interviews them while driving:

http://orf.at/wahl13/video/6635247.html

When Stronach talked about his support for the death penalty, his secretary Kathrin Nachbaur was in the backseat and when she was asked about the death penalty, she said with a pretty ashamed view: "I think people here wouldn't accept this."

Nachbaur has a lot to do now, stating that the Team Stronach does NOT support the death penalty, only Frank Stronach himself.

I guess she already knew in the car that this is going to be a big own-goal.

It seems a bizarre format. A slight to camera whilst driving is fine, but how can you interview someone whilst at the wheel? Health and Safety nightmare!

I was more concerned about the fact that neither Stronach nor his assistant wear seatbelts.

[Tender Branson]

English article:

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[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

The "Grüne Andersrum", the LGBT-branch of the Greens, have released their poster campaign and 1 ad:

http://www.gruene-andersrum.at/oesterreich/artikel/lesen/90081

Why does LGBT advertising always seem to have to focus on sex? There are constant complaints that being LGB is not just about sex and then that whole argument is undermined with this kind of material.

Yeah if they wanted to make the point for equality, a smiling happy same-sex couple on their wedding day would be nice, or something, but apperently all we gays do is have sex. <.<

No, I think it has to do with what's written ON the posters:

"Our favourite position: The equality position."

And you forget that it's election campaign: A poster with a smiling same-sex couple on wedding day doesn't make it into newspapers, these posters do ...

I know what the words on the posters mean. I still speak German...
Just because they added a pun doesn't mean it's not stupid and sexist to always involve sex when it comes to LGBT-rights. No one would dream to make a poster with a straight threesum with the caption "Our favourite position: Sharing the means of production." Although that pun works just as well.

    

[Tender Branson]

The "Grüne Andersrum", the LGBT-branch of the Greens, have released their poster campaign and 1 ad:

http://www.gruene-andersrum.at/oesterreich/artikel/lesen/90081

Why does LGBT advertising always seem to have to focus on sex? There are constant complaints that being LGB is not just about sex and then that whole argument is undermined with this kind of material.

Yeah if they wanted to make the point for equality, a smiling happy same-sex couple on their wedding day would be nice, or something, but apperently all we gays do is have sex. <.<

No, I think it has to do with what's written ON the posters:

"Our favourite position: The equality position."

And you forget that it's election campaign: A poster with a smiling same-sex couple on wedding day doesn't make it into newspapers, these posters do ...

I know what the words on the posters mean. I still speak German...
Just because they added a pun doesn't mean it's not stupid and sexist to always involve sex when it comes to LGBT-rights. No one would dream to make a poster with a straight threesum with the caption "Our favourite position: Sharing the means of production." Although that pun works just as well.

True, sex doesn't need to be involved all the time when it comes to gays - and usually it doesn't anyway.

But contrary to the English word "equality", the German word for it, "Gleichstellung", already has the word "Stellung" in it, which is a sexual term for "position". So, the word itself is already putting on the plate a poster like this

It helps LGBT voters stick with the Greens, don't you think ?

[peterould]

The "Grüne Andersrum", the LGBT-branch of the Greens, have released their poster campaign and 1 ad:

http://www.gruene-andersrum.at/oesterreich/artikel/lesen/90081

Why does LGBT advertising always seem to have to focus on sex? There are constant complaints that being LGB is not just about sex and then that whole argument is undermined with this kind of material.

Yeah if they wanted to make the point for equality, a smiling happy same-sex couple on their wedding day would be nice, or something, but apperently all we gays do is have sex. <.<

No, I think it has to do with what's written ON the posters:

"Our favourite position: The equality position."

And you forget that it's election campaign: A poster with a smiling same-sex couple on wedding day doesn't make it into newspapers, these posters do ...

But in doing so they help to perpetuate stereotypes. Own goal.

[peterould]

Just because they added a pun doesn't mean it's not stupid and sexist to always involve sex when it comes to LGBT-rights. No one would dream to make a poster with a straight threesum with the caption "Our favourite position: Sharing the means of production." Although that pun works just as well.  

Have you ever considered a career in marketing? That's sheer genius!

[peterould]

But contrary to the English word "equality", the German word for it, "Gleichstellung", already has the word "Stellung" in it, which is a sexual term for "position". So, the word itself is already putting on the plate a poster like this

It's clever wordplay but it's still condescending (and to some, offensive) wordplay.

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Oh so that makes it OK? Showing your bias methinks!

[Tender Branson]

5 people interviewed in Vorarlberg are all clearly against the death penalty, like Stronach wants it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM9bOKSose8

[Swedish Rainbow Capitalist Cheese]

It helps LGBT voters stick with the Greens, don't you think ?

Maybe it'll convince some gay people and people who think LGBT-rights are important who are currently undecided between the centre-left parties, but it might as well turn-off the many gays who (like me) is dead tired of stereo-typing, not to mention the many left-wingers who are strongly and actively against the sexual objectification of people in advertising and media.
But all in all I don't think it'll have any real impact on the polls what so ever

If the Greens wanted to make a real effort to gather all of the pro-equality camp in their bag they'd announce that they'd take no part in a government that don't legalize gay marriage. Since it's quite likely they'll be needed to back up SPÖVP after the election that might be a real vote earner.

Have you ever considered a career in marketing? That's sheer genius!

 

Thank you. I did when I was younger, but today I have no such yearnings. I'm much more inclined to my future legal career.
 

[Leftbehind]

Oh so that makes it OK? Showing your bias methinks!

A bit hypocritical whilst posting your negative reaction to it?

[Tender Branson]

The debate performance polls by IMAS from the 2 debates yesterday evening (once again, slightly more than 300 debate watchers each have been polled by IMAS after the debates):




http://www.krone.at/Oesterreich/Faymann_vs._Stronach_Welten_prallen_aufeinander-Todesstrafe_und_Co.-Story-374753

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http://www.krone.at/Oesterreich/Unentschieden_zwischen_Spindelegger_und_Bucher-Kampf_um_Mittelstand-Story-374754

[Tender Branson]

New Gallup/Ö24 poll (sample=400):



Basically no change compared with last week. Interviews conducted mostly before Stronach's death penalty statement though.

http://www.oe24.at/oesterreich/politik/Umfrage-SPOe-bleibt-Erster/115144717

[Leftbehind]

lol at those SPÖ/TS figures above.

[Tender Branson]

The death penalty comments from Stronach were also an issue yesterday in the ORF debate between Stronach and Chancellor Faymann.

Stronach repeated that he favours the death penalty for serious crimes such as dictators who are responsible for genocide, terrorism and mafia-style paid hitmen. He also said that this is his personal opinion only and that his party, the Team Stronach, has spoken out clearly against the death penalty and will not put it in the party program under any circumstance.

Faymann said that nobody needs the death penalty in Austria, quoted the 10 commandments (Thou shall not kill !) and EU/UN treaties regarding human rights.

Then Stronach pulled out charts with Faymann shaking hands with Obama and Schwarzenegger, who favour the death penalty, and said that Faymann "is speaking with 2 tongues".

Faymann attacked him back that neither he nor the SPÖ support the death penalty and that it's his job as Chancellor to meet with other politicians such as Obama/Schwarzenegger.

[Tender Branson]

Pollster "Market" is definitely polling the death penalty in Austria now !

Got an email back from them.

What do you think will the results be ?

There has never been a death penalty poll as far as I know (and I know a lot).

I think Austrians will be opposed by 60-30, or 55-35.

[ferenc_szombat]

Pollster "Market" is definitely polling the death penalty in Austria now !

Got an email back from them.

What do you think will the results be ?

There has never been a death penalty poll as far as I know (and I know a lot).

I think Austrians will be opposed by 60-30, or 55-35.

I think that majority will be in favour of death penalty. In Czech Republic this is polling every year and +- 60% of the people agree with the death penalty (in this document you can see the long term chart on the page 3 - cvvm.soc.cas.cz/media/com_form2content/documents/c1/a7020/f3/ob130530.pdf ). You must mind the rednecks.

If they are polling death penalty during the debate about it, the result will be affected.

[Tender Branson]

Pollster "Market" is definitely polling the death penalty in Austria now !

Got an email back from them.

What do you think will the results be ?

There has never been a death penalty poll as far as I know (and I know a lot).

I think Austrians will be opposed by 60-30, or 55-35.

I think that majority will be in favour of death penalty. In Czech Republic this is polling every year and +- 60% of the people agree with the death penalty (in this document you can see the long term chart on the page 3 - cvvm.soc.cas.cz/media/com_form2content/documents/c1/a7020/f3/ob130530.pdf ). You must mind the rednecks.

If they are polling death penalty during the debate about it, the result will be affected.

Aren't Eastern European countries generally more favorable towards the death penalty than Western European ones ?

I think the poll will show a tie at best.

SPÖ/Green-voters will be strongly opposed (like 8-1), ÖVP/BZÖ-voters also (maybe 2/3 opposed), and FPÖ/TS voters could be mixed. The 5% who support NEOS/Pirates/KPÖ will also be strongly opposed I think.

If we put this together, then opposition will be ca. 65-75%.

Support could be higher if they ask specific questions such as favoring the DP for child killers.

[ferenc_szombat]

Aren't Eastern European countries generally more favorable towards the death penalty than Western European ones ?

Not necessary:

Poland (2007, GfK Polonia)
46% in favour
52% opposed

France (2007, Ipsos MORI)
45% in favour
52% opposed

The numbers are nearly the same. There are another variables than economics - religion, rate of urbanization, great criminal cases etc.

I still think that it is too late for this poll, when the debate is running. Someone could be embarrassed to say that he's in favour of death penalty, when Chancellor is saying that it is wrong.