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  1888: Frederick Douglass vs. Grover Cleveland
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« on: November 23, 2012, 06:59:44 pm »
« edited: November 23, 2012, 07:05:46 pm by Elections Inspector Cathcon »

Writer Frederick Douglass (Republican-New York)/Governor Joseph B. Foraker (Republican-Ohio)

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President S. Grover Cleveland (Democrat-New York)/Former Senator Allen G. Thurman (Democrat-Ohio)



Unlikely and unrealistic scenario. In 1888, Frederick Douglass became the first African-American to speak before a major party convention. As well, one delegate cast a vote for him. Let's say, for some reason or another, he wins and becomes a presidential candidate. How's it go? (we're looking specifically for maps here, folks!)
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« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2012, 07:05:47 pm »

We would have a new civil war if that happened.
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« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2012, 07:12:36 pm »

Cleveland wins everything except maybe the deepest Republican states (Vermont, Maine, Michigan?)
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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2012, 07:16:59 pm »

I like both of them, but I lean Cleveland.

Cleveland would probably win, in that time period I could not see a black man winning.
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2012, 10:40:26 am »

Cleveland wins everything except maybe the deepest Republican states (Vermont, Maine, Michigan?)

How do you think the West would go, which had been traditionally Republican by then, would go?
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« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2012, 01:38:33 am »

377-24
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« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2012, 01:50:07 am »

Given the real life results for Grover Cleveland, even in New England and the Plains states, I fail to see how Douglass wins any state besides Vermont.

Really.
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« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2012, 01:58:40 am »

Here's my map:



370-31

Being REALLY generous to Douglass here.  After all, we're talking about a black man as a Presidential candidate.  IN 1888.
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2012, 02:06:00 pm »

Basically 1936. Dem wins everything except VT and ME.

I'd vote for Douglass enthusiastically.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2012, 06:50:15 pm »


361-40
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2012, 07:15:14 pm »


Massachusetts?

Seriously?
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2012, 09:40:16 pm »


Yes - there's a long history of support for racial equality there.
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« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2013, 12:26:27 am »

Douglas/Cleveland.
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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2013, 02:30:09 am »

I'd easily vote for Douglass. Cleveland would win in a landslide, obviously.
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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2013, 12:33:40 am »

All my admiration for Douglass aside, I'd have to vote for Cleveland. He's one of my favorite, most underrated Presidents.

Cleveland would win in a landslide, naturally. Just the times. A few northern states might go for Douglass, but that's not a sure thing. Very much like 1928, the country wouldn't be ready yet.
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2013, 12:44:16 am »

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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2013, 12:56:17 am »

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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2013, 02:08:29 am »

As strongly as I'd have supported Douglass, he would be destroyed.
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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2013, 12:57:41 pm »

Douglass wouldn't even win Vermont...

401 - 0

Who are we kidding here?
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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2013, 08:48:16 pm »

I'd be fine with either, though I'd lean towards Douglass. Cleveland would win easily, of course.
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« Reply #20 on: March 11, 2013, 02:28:29 am »
« Edited: March 11, 2013, 02:33:04 am by AntiWar Machine »


Yes, and they would vote for a black man?  In 1888?

This is a state that was full of people who were barely okay with competing with Irish immigration, I doubt they would choose a black Republican over a reform minded white Democrat who ran on a platform many describe as it could've been written by the Republican Convention.

Supporting voting rights for a group doesn't mean one thinks about voting one for president.
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« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2013, 08:03:49 am »

Douglass/Cleveland, of course.  As for a map:


Grover Cleveland (D)- 224
Frederick Douglass (R)- 177
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« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2013, 08:54:48 am »
« Edited: April 01, 2013, 12:26:42 pm by TDAS04 »

Douglass/Cleveland, of course.  As for a map:


Grover Cleveland (D)- 224
Frederick Douglass (R)- 177

West Virginia?  It didn't even vote for Benjamin Harrison IRL.  Why would it have supported Douglass?

Anyway, Douglass/Cleveland.



Cleveland:  370
Douglass:  31

Unfortunately, racial equality was quite a radical notion in 1888.  Douglass would have made a great President.
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« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2013, 11:17:32 pm »
« Edited: April 02, 2013, 01:54:05 am by badgate »

I'm imagining the coded racism in today's political rhetoric, and remembering the very racist things I've read politicians say in the mid 19th c, specifically a shocking Lincoln excerpt, and I'm surprised anybody thinks Douglass would have won any state in 1888.
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« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2013, 11:27:51 pm »

Grover Cleveland
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