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« on: November 12, 2012, 12:05:01 PM »

The GOP's media cocoon

By JONATHAN MARTIN | 11/12/12 4:36 AM EST

A long-simmering generational battle in the conservative movement is boiling over after last week’s shellacking, with younger operatives and ideologues going public with calls that Republicans break free from a political-media cocoon that has become intellectually suffocating and self-defeating.

GOP officials have chalked up their electoral thumping to everything from the country’s changing demographics to an ill-timed hurricane and failed voter turn-out system, but a cadre of Republicans under 50 believes the party’s problem is even more fundamental.

The party is suffering from Pauline Kaelism.

Kael was The New Yorker movie critic who famously said in the wake of Richard M. Nixon’s 49-state landslide in 1972 that she knew only one person who voted for Nixon.

Now, many young Republicans worry, they are the ones in the hermetically sealed bubble — except it’s not confined to geography but rather a self-selected media universe in which only their own views are reinforced and an alternate reality is reflected.

Hence the initial denial and subsequent shock on the right that the country would not only reelect President Barack Obama — but do so with 332 electoral votes.
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Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1112/83704.html#ixzz2C1qpncrz
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2012, 12:30:53 PM »

Very interesting, and I think it makes good points.
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2012, 12:46:09 PM »

This is undoubtedly a great idea, but good luck. Much of the party trusts only Fox and Talk Radio, as it has been beat into them that these outlets are "the truth-tellers." They trusted only Gallup and Rasmussen, who were the ones with the "real numbers." Now it seems like faith in the polls is changing, as many have realized PPP and Nate Silver were right all along. However, they were provided with clear evidence, and their pundits (some, anyway) are willing to eat crow. But you can't break someone out of a "media cocoon," because it requires that someone to realize that much of their political beliefs are built on misinformation and suppositions. And no one wants to do that. Maybe in the long-term, with a new, younger generation of "logical" conservatives, but not now.
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2012, 12:54:51 PM »

Superb idea. Allowing Limbaugh and Hannity to be your policy center is a terrible idea, but it's seductive because they pack in a lot people, and a lot of suckers even buy what they peddle. So if the GOP cuts itself off from these people, which has become like a needy relationship, the GOP will have to come up with ideas rather than just try to stir up older white people into a frenzy.

Then there's the religious vote that Reagan largely secure with making deals with influential preachers on social issues. The GOP wants to keep these people too, even though the whole concept of a "moral majority" is really quickly becoming a thing of the past.
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2012, 01:28:30 PM »

Rush and Glenn Beck will be hard to stop, but I think the rest are really just party hacks and will tone down the rhetoric if establishment bosses advise them to do so.
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2012, 01:39:56 PM »

Toning it down would be the best choice for the GOP, but I don't think it will be so easy. People in the bubble have been thoroughly brainwashed by the talking heads like Limbaugh and many have been completely convinced that Obama and most other democrats are nothing short of evil. So, any effort in the Republican party to moderate on some issues and reach across the aisle would be considered high treason, and the party would face a huge backlash from their most loyal supporters. I think the GOP will have to lose many more elections before these people finally come around.
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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2012, 01:43:56 PM »

Media cocoon doesn't matter.  No one's telling the Dems to break their media cocoon.

Trying to "fix" the losing party after every election has become tiring.  See the Dems in 2004 and 2010, GOP in '06 and '08.   The GOP lost because it had an inferior operation and an inferior campaign controlling the top of the ticket.
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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2012, 01:58:11 PM »

Media cocoon doesn't matter.  No one's telling the Dems to break their media cocoon.

Trying to "fix" the losing party after every election has become tiring.  See the Dems in 2004 and 2010, GOP in '06 and '08.   The GOP lost because it had an inferior operation and an inferior campaign controlling the top of the ticket.

I'm sorry but the GOP media cocoon is a huge problem for the party. Right wing media created a false universe that thoroughly convinced Republicans that their views not only were right, but were also shared by the vast majority of Americans. It created a false sense of security. They figured they were doing everything right and didn't make the changes necessary to win the election, As it turns out, most Americans were very much against their agenda.

At least most liberal media uses facts and data and tries to understand the motives coming from the other side. And they're also not afraid to knock down one of their own if they screw up. MSNBC was probably the hardest on Obama after the first debate. Right wing media has become almost cult like, showing intense devotion to the Republican party and failing to tell the entire story
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2012, 02:07:25 PM »

Media cocoon doesn't matter.  No one's telling the Dems to break their media cocoon.

Trying to "fix" the losing party after every election has become tiring.  See the Dems in 2004 and 2010, GOP in '06 and '08.   The GOP lost because it had an inferior operation and an inferior campaign controlling the top of the ticket.

I'm sorry but the GOP media cocoon is a huge problem for the party. Right wing media created a false universe that thoroughly convinced Republicans that their views not only were right, but were also shared by the vast majority of Americans. It created a false sense of security. They figured they were doing everything right and didn't make the changes necessary to win the election, As it turns out, most Americans were very much against their agenda.

Right-wing media didn't create the false sense of security.  Almost all of the polls were wrong, Republican-friendly or otherwise. 

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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2012, 02:34:07 PM »

I'm sorry but the GOP media cocoon is a huge problem for the party. Right wing media created a false universe that thoroughly convinced Republicans that their views not only were right, but were also shared by the vast majority of Americans. It created a false sense of security. They figured they were doing everything right and didn't make the changes necessary to win the election, As it turns out, most Americans were very much against their agenda.

At least most liberal media uses facts and data and tries to understand the motives coming from the other side. And they're also not afraid to knock down one of their own if they screw up. MSNBC was probably the hardest on Obama after the first debate. Right wing media has become almost cult like, showing intense devotion to the Republican party and failing to tell the entire story

Sorry, but the mindset you are describing does not afflict only the GOP.  The main problem the GOP has with their media bubble that the Dems do not have with their bubble is that the GOP bubble is smaller than the Dem bubble and it is shrinking.
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2012, 02:51:13 PM »

I'm sorry but the GOP media cocoon is a huge problem for the party. Right wing media created a false universe that thoroughly convinced Republicans that their views not only were right, but were also shared by the vast majority of Americans. It created a false sense of security. They figured they were doing everything right and didn't make the changes necessary to win the election, As it turns out, most Americans were very much against their agenda.

At least most liberal media uses facts and data and tries to understand the motives coming from the other side. And they're also not afraid to knock down one of their own if they screw up. MSNBC was probably the hardest on Obama after the first debate. Right wing media has become almost cult like, showing intense devotion to the Republican party and failing to tell the entire story

Sorry, but the mindset you are describing does not afflict only the GOP.  The main problem the GOP has with their media bubble that the Dems do not have with their bubble is that the GOP bubble is smaller than the Dem bubble and it is shrinking.

It affects both sides, but to a different extent. And Fox News still destroys other cable news channels in the ratings.
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2012, 03:07:18 PM »

It affects both sides, but to a different extent. And Fox News still destroys other cable news channels in the ratings.

But the other side gets CNN (Communist News Network), MSNBC (More Socialism Now Broadcasting Commune), PBS (Proletariat Broadcast Soviet), CBS (Communist Broadcast Soviet), NPR (National Proletariat Radio), etc., while the right has to make do with Faux News and EIB (Extreme Indigestion Broadcasting).

At least Comrade Central has the Colbert Report.
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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2012, 03:23:38 PM »

Media cocoon doesn't matter.  No one's telling the Dems to break their media cocoon.

Trying to "fix" the losing party after every election has become tiring.  See the Dems in 2004 and 2010, GOP in '06 and '08.   The GOP lost because it had an inferior operation and an inferior campaign controlling the top of the ticket.

I'm sorry but the GOP media cocoon is a huge problem for the party. Right wing media created a false universe that thoroughly convinced Republicans that their views not only were right, but were also shared by the vast majority of Americans. It created a false sense of security. They figured they were doing everything right and didn't make the changes necessary to win the election, As it turns out, most Americans were very much against their agenda.
Almost all of the polls were wrong, Republican-friendly or otherwise. 

Except that, y'know, they weren't. Many of them (and the aggregates certainly) nailed this election all along. Only the few that this very bubble chose to accept were completely wrong. You only further prove the point, really.
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2012, 03:44:13 PM »


At least most liberal media uses facts and data and tries to understand the motives coming from the other side. And they're also not afraid to knock down one of their own if they screw up. MSNBC was probably the hardest on Obama after the first debate. Right wing media has become almost cult like, showing intense devotion to the Republican party and failing to tell the entire story

This is the most salient point. There is no equivalency between Rachel Maddow and Rush Limbaugh. The liberals on MSNBC are fact-driven. They are not in a fantasy world. Their arguments are made on the merits. Conservatives are delusional as has been so clearly illustrated by this election cycle.
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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2012, 04:30:46 PM »


At least most liberal media uses facts and data and tries to understand the motives coming from the other side. And they're also not afraid to knock down one of their own if they screw up. MSNBC was probably the hardest on Obama after the first debate. Right wing media has become almost cult like, showing intense devotion to the Republican party and failing to tell the entire story

This is the most salient point. There is no equivalency between Rachel Maddow and Rush Limbaugh. The liberals on MSNBC are fact-driven. They are not in a fantasy world. Their arguments are made on the merits. Conservatives are delusional as has been so clearly illustrated by this election cycle.

That's right. Even the firebrands, Schultz and Matthews, check stuff, and they do not seek out disciples for whom they will create a reality in which there are death panels, FEMA-built concentration camps, terrorists taking over the Army, freeloaders everywhere seeking a living off the Gubment, Obamaphones, no birth certificate, every single vote in Cleveland being fudged for Obama (which can debunked by just looking it up!), and God knows what else.

The right wing entertainers on radio and TV are gimmicks (spinoffs of doomsday political fiction, I think), but sadly their audiences don't see them that way.
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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2012, 05:41:06 PM »

Even Mike Naso predicted an Obama win.
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2012, 06:18:08 PM »

They arent really learning. Fox is already 'asking questions' about the timing of the Petraeus resignation and 'wondering' if there is a link to his Bengazi testimony.   Of course they are ignoring how Bob Woodward said Petraeus was set to back up the admin and that even though his deputy is going instead he may still testify. But dont let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy theory
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2012, 07:38:38 PM »

Hopefully this can be achieved in the long run. The conservative bubble has always been detrimental to the country and its politics, so the fact it's starting to get detrimental to the GOP's viability could be a good thing. Since I really don't like the idea of 40% of the country isolating itself in a bubble and growing angrier and angrier at the fact reality doesn't fit their narrow views, I think this would be in the interest of everyone.

It won't take one day to clean up Bullsh*t Mountain, but it could be a gradual process. Maybe Nov. 6 will be the beginning of the end... one can hope. Smiley
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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2012, 08:13:02 PM »
« Edited: November 16, 2012, 08:14:33 PM by President Napoleon »

Media cocoon doesn't matter.  No one's telling the Dems to break their media cocoon.

Trying to "fix" the losing party after every election has become tiring.  See the Dems in 2004 and 2010, GOP in '06 and '08.   The GOP lost because it had an inferior operation and an inferior campaign controlling the top of the ticket.

I'm sorry but the GOP media cocoon is a huge problem for the party. Right wing media created a false universe that thoroughly convinced Republicans that their views not only were right, but were also shared by the vast majority of Americans. It created a false sense of security. They figured they were doing everything right and didn't make the changes necessary to win the election, As it turns out, most Americans were very much against their agenda.
Almost all of the polls were wrong, Republican-friendly or otherwise. 

Except that, y'know, they weren't. Many of them (and the aggregates certainly) nailed this election all along. Only the few that this very bubble chose to accept were completely wrong. You only further prove the point, really.

I don't think you can reasonably suggest a New Yorker is in "the bubble". Unless he's from Buffalo, or somewhere absurdly rural.
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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2012, 08:21:54 PM »

Media cocoon doesn't matter.  No one's telling the Dems to break their media cocoon.

Trying to "fix" the losing party after every election has become tiring.  See the Dems in 2004 and 2010, GOP in '06 and '08.   The GOP lost because it had an inferior operation and an inferior campaign controlling the top of the ticket.

I'm sorry but the GOP media cocoon is a huge problem for the party. Right wing media created a false universe that thoroughly convinced Republicans that their views not only were right, but were also shared by the vast majority of Americans. It created a false sense of security. They figured they were doing everything right and didn't make the changes necessary to win the election, As it turns out, most Americans were very much against their agenda.
Almost all of the polls were wrong, Republican-friendly or otherwise. 

Except that, y'know, they weren't. Many of them (and the aggregates certainly) nailed this election all along. Only the few that this very bubble chose to accept were completely wrong. You only further prove the point, really.

I don't think you can reasonably suggest a New Yorker is in "the bubble". Unless he's from Buffalo, or somewhere absurdly rural.

You could live in New York City and still be in "the bubble". It's not a matter of not knowing anyone who is voting for Obama. It's the complete isolation from news sources that aren't cheerleading for Republicans. Just because you have Democratic friends or coworkers doesn't mean you swap news, or would take news from them seriously if you did. Moreover, it doesn't mean you aren't convinced that everyone in areas that "matter" is angry at the Democrats and wants to throw them out--actually probably easier to believe that living in New York City, where you can dismiss everyone around you, than living in Ohio and having friends who are of mixed partisan affiliation.

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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2012, 10:50:09 PM »

I don't think you can reasonably suggest a New Yorker is in "the bubble". Unless he's from Buffalo, or somewhere absurdly rural.

South Shore?  Boro Park?  (I guess Boro Park is actually its own, unique, bubble.)
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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2012, 11:04:25 PM »

I would really, really love to live in a world where we all drew our conclusions from the same set of facts rather than drawing our "facts" from our conclusions.
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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2012, 11:06:51 PM »

Media cocoon doesn't matter.  No one's telling the Dems to break their media cocoon.

Trying to "fix" the losing party after every election has become tiring.  See the Dems in 2004 and 2010, GOP in '06 and '08.   The GOP lost because it had an inferior operation and an inferior campaign controlling the top of the ticket.

I'm sorry but the GOP media cocoon is a huge problem for the party. Right wing media created a false universe that thoroughly convinced Republicans that their views not only were right, but were also shared by the vast majority of Americans. It created a false sense of security. They figured they were doing everything right and didn't make the changes necessary to win the election, As it turns out, most Americans were very much against their agenda.
Almost all of the polls were wrong, Republican-friendly or otherwise. 

Except that, y'know, they weren't. Many of them (and the aggregates certainly) nailed this election all along. Only the few that this very bubble chose to accept were completely wrong. You only further prove the point, really.

I don't think you can reasonably suggest a New Yorker is in "the bubble". Unless he's from Buffalo, or somewhere absurdly rural.

Did you read this paragraph from the article?

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It doesn't matter where you live -if your primary source of news is Fox News and conservative talk radio, a conservative  in San Francisco or New York City can be just as deluded as his counterpart in Texas or Georgia.  
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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2012, 11:15:55 PM »

I don't think you can reasonably suggest a New Yorker is in "the bubble". Unless he's from Buffalo, or somewhere absurdly rural.

South Shore?  Boro Park?  (I guess Boro Park is actually its own, unique, bubble.)

Even Ny Jew had a certain understanding of how people in the world surrounding him felt.
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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2012, 11:19:12 PM »

Media cocoon doesn't matter.  No one's telling the Dems to break their media cocoon.

Trying to "fix" the losing party after every election has become tiring.  See the Dems in 2004 and 2010, GOP in '06 and '08.   The GOP lost because it had an inferior operation and an inferior campaign controlling the top of the ticket.

I'm sorry but the GOP media cocoon is a huge problem for the party. Right wing media created a false universe that thoroughly convinced Republicans that their views not only were right, but were also shared by the vast majority of Americans. It created a false sense of security. They figured they were doing everything right and didn't make the changes necessary to win the election, As it turns out, most Americans were very much against their agenda.
Almost all of the polls were wrong, Republican-friendly or otherwise. 

Except that, y'know, they weren't. Many of them (and the aggregates certainly) nailed this election all along. Only the few that this very bubble chose to accept were completely wrong. You only further prove the point, really.

I don't think you can reasonably suggest a New Yorker is in "the bubble". Unless he's from Buffalo, or somewhere absurdly rural.

Did you read this paragraph from the article?

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It doesn't matter where you live -if your primary source of news is Fox News and conservative talk radio, a conservative  in San Francisco or New York City can be just as deluded as his counterpart in Texas or Georgia.  

Yeah, I see that paragraph in the article. I've read lots of things in articles but they aren't always true. Wink

It's nigh impossible to live in San Francisco or New York and live within this right-wing world of wonder we're discussing. You can't escape a diverse set of viewpoints living in NYC or SF.
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