Does God intend for rape babies to happen?

[memphis]

And if so, are headaches also not part of God's intentions? Is taking advil going against God's will as well?

[RI]

The fact that you compare having a child to a headache and an abortion to taking advil is telling enough.

[DC Al Fine]

The fact that you compare having a child to a headache and an abortion to taking advil is telling enough.

[memphis]

The fact that you compare having a child to a headache and an abortion to taking advil is telling enough.

Care to answer the question?

[politicus]

The fact that you compare having a child to a headache and an abortion to taking advil is telling enough.

Care to answer the question?

You cant except to be taken seriously, when you phrase a question in such a cruel and insensitive way.

[RI]

The fact that you compare having a child to a headache and an abortion to taking advil is telling enough.

Care to answer the question?

Alright, I’ll give it a shot. This is my theological understanding as a Catholic: What you're really asking is, "Why does God let bad things happen?" God desires our love, but in order for that love to be genuine we have to freely choose to do so, hence the existence of free will. Everyone is free to make their own decisions and act as they see fit, but God will try to always make the best situations, in the end, arise from our actions. No matter how bad or how dark someone’s actions, God can make something beautiful eventually arise from them. God does not desire for anyone to suffer unnecessarily, save that we may come out better for it (i.e. redemptive suffering). God does not “will” rape or murder or any other human transgression to happen, except in that He gave us the ability to choose to commit these actions. Rape is solely a choice made by some individual of their own accord. This tragedy sets the stage for any of innumerable outcomes, but a small fraction of which result in a child being conceived. God works off of what we give Him, and if this is the outcome, then the conception surely has happened by God’s design; that is, we have given Him the ingredients, and if left to His devices, He will try to ensure that the greatest good results from what we've given Him.

Every life that comes into existence is there for a reason. It is only a “burden” or a “headache” if we choose to frame it as such; for God, every life is a blessing for not only is life incomprehensively beautiful and a reflection of His own glory, but it gives us the opportunity to create beauty of our own and to grow more completely as people. The rape victim has been dealt a terrible hand by the mechanisms of the universe, by whatever long and unbroken progression of human interactions that led them to that place, but it is solely within their power to choose how they react to it. If they choose to make the sacrifice of going forth not knowing God’s full design, then they will surely be rewarded for it many times over by the grace of God.

To go with your analogy, a headache is a physical ailment that may or may not have a purpose, just as taking advil may or may not have a greater purpose. Perhaps you may learn something from it, who knows. Perhaps it simply serves to provide you with perspective on how great life is without them.

A child on the other hand is a gift, you might even say a piece of God, with all the potential in the world. Being a parent can be the most incredibly experience of your life if you let it be. Some of the best parents in the world never intended to be parents; some of the best people in this world were born unwanted, some times even from a rape. Killing your child benefits no one; a life stolen, often times the mother is left with unresolved grief, and she never gets a chance to see the wonders their child could construct.

When bad things happen to you, God can make miracles happen. When you choose to do bad things and harm others, you close yourself to the grace of God.

[memphis]

You still haven't answered the question. A simple yes or no will suffice. Are rape babies part of God's intentions?

[Joe Biden 2020]

The fact that you compare having a child to a headache and an abortion to taking advil is telling enough.

Care to answer the question?

Alright, I’ll give it a shot. This is my theological understanding as a Catholic: What you're really asking is, "Why does God let bad things happen?" God desires our love, but in order for that love to be genuine we have to freely choose to do so, hence the existence of free will. Everyone is free to make their own decisions and act as they see fit, but God will try to always make the best situations, in the end, arise from our actions. No matter how bad or how dark someone’s actions, God can make something beautiful eventually arise from them. God does not desire for anyone to suffer unnecessarily, save that we may come out better for it (i.e. redemptive suffering). God does not “will” rape or murder or any other human transgression to happen, except in that He gave us the ability to choose to commit these actions. Rape is solely a choice made by some individual of their own accord. This tragedy sets the stage for any of innumerable outcomes, but a small fraction of which result in a child being conceived. God works off of what we give Him, and if this is the outcome, then the conception surely has happened by God’s design; that is, we have given Him the ingredients, and if left to His devices, He will try to ensure that the greatest good results from what we've given Him.

Every life that comes into existence is there for a reason. It is only a “burden” or a “headache” if we choose to frame it as such; for God, every life is a blessing for not only is life incomprehensively beautiful and a reflection of His own glory, but it gives us the opportunity to create beauty of our own and to grow more completely as people. The rape victim has been dealt a terrible hand by the mechanisms of the universe, by whatever long and unbroken progression of human interactions that led them to that place, but it is solely within their power to choose how they react to it. If they choose to make the sacrifice of going forth not knowing God’s full design, then they will surely be rewarded for it many times over by the grace of God.

To go with your analogy, a headache is a physical ailment that may or may not have a purpose, just as taking advil may or may not have a greater purpose. Perhaps you may learn something from it, who knows. Perhaps it simply serves to provide you with perspective on how great life is without them.

A child on the other hand is a gift, you might even say a piece of God, with all the potential in the world. Being a parent can be the most incredibly experience of your life if you let it be. Some of the best parents in the world never intended to be parents; some of the best people in this world were born unwanted, some times even from a rape. Killing your child benefits no one; a life stolen, often times the mother is left with unresolved grief, and she never gets a chance to see the wonders their child could construct.

When bad things happen to you, God can make miracles happen. When you choose to do bad things and harm others, you close yourself to the grace of God.

I couldn't have said it better myself.  That's why I feel the only legitimate cases for abortion are incest and if the life of the mother AND the baby are in jeopardy.  If the baby can live apart from the mother, then sorry mom.

Now, I'll answer the question - Rapes are never intended by God, but no child is a mistake and there are NO illegitimate children.  The baby conceived by a rape has just as much right to live as those who are conceived through humane circumstances.  The term "rape babies" are demeaning to such children.  The babies have just as much right to be born.

[DC Al Fine]

God didn't want the rape to happen, but he certainly wants the child to be born after it is conceived.

[RI]

You still haven't answered the question. A simple yes or no will suffice. Are rape babies part of God's intentions?

Nuanced thought would suffice too.

[memphis]

You still haven't answered the question. A simple yes or no will suffice. Are rape babies part of God's intentions?

Nuanced thought would suffice too.

No because you still haven't answered the question. What's it gonna be boy, yes... or no?

[© tweed]

yes, but we've beat Him, we can make them not happen.

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There is no god. Hypothetically if there was an all powerful god, he'd be a real asshole for giving us Hitler, Pol Pot, and the like.

[DC Al Fine]

You still haven't answered the question. A simple yes or no will suffice. Are rape babies part of God's intentions?

Nuanced thought would suffice too.

No because you still haven't answered the question. What's it gonna be boy, yes... or no?

Well first, God's will can mean two different things:
1) He is making something happen
2) He wants something to happen but chooses not to act for whatever reason (free will, greater good etc.)

If by "God's will" you mean the former definition, then absolutely not. If you mean the latter definition, then yes and no. It is not God's will to for the rape to occur, but once a child is conceived, it is his will that the child be born alive like any other.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

You still haven't answered the question. A simple yes or no will suffice. Are rape babies part of God's intentions?

Nuanced thought would suffice too.

No because you still haven't answered the question. What's it gonna be boy, yes... or no?

Well first, God's will can mean two different things:
1) He is making something happen
2) He wants something to happen but chooses not to act for whatever reason (free will, greater good etc.)

If by "God's will" you mean the former definition, then absolutely not. If you mean the latter definition, then yes and no. It is not God's will to for the rape to occur, but once a child is conceived, it is his will that the child be born alive like any other.

Like any other?  I suggest you read Numbers 5:11-31 and then decide whether God places the well-being of the unborn above all other concerns.  Unless you want to argue that he considers infidelity to be worse than rape.

[Insula Dei]

Yet another thread with high-level theological debate, I see.

[Free Speech Enjoyer]

The fact that you compare having a child to a headache and an abortion to taking advil is telling enough.

Care to answer the question?

Alright, I’ll give it a shot. This is my theological understanding as a Catholic: What you're really asking is, "Why does God let bad things happen?" God desires our love, but in order for that love to be genuine we have to freely choose to do so, hence the existence of free will. Everyone is free to make their own decisions and act as they see fit, but God will try to always make the best situations, in the end, arise from our actions. No matter how bad or how dark someone’s actions, God can make something beautiful eventually arise from them. God does not desire for anyone to suffer unnecessarily, save that we may come out better for it (i.e. redemptive suffering). God does not “will” rape or murder or any other human transgression to happen, except in that He gave us the ability to choose to commit these actions. Rape is solely a choice made by some individual of their own accord. This tragedy sets the stage for any of innumerable outcomes, but a small fraction of which result in a child being conceived. God works off of what we give Him, and if this is the outcome, then the conception surely has happened by God’s design; that is, we have given Him the ingredients, and if left to His devices, He will try to ensure that the greatest good results from what we've given Him.

Every life that comes into existence is there for a reason. It is only a “burden” or a “headache” if we choose to frame it as such; for God, every life is a blessing for not only is life incomprehensively beautiful and a reflection of His own glory, but it gives us the opportunity to create beauty of our own and to grow more completely as people. The rape victim has been dealt a terrible hand by the mechanisms of the universe, by whatever long and unbroken progression of human interactions that led them to that place, but it is solely within their power to choose how they react to it. If they choose to make the sacrifice of going forth not knowing God’s full design, then they will surely be rewarded for it many times over by the grace of God.

To go with your analogy, a headache is a physical ailment that may or may not have a purpose, just as taking advil may or may not have a greater purpose. Perhaps you may learn something from it, who knows. Perhaps it simply serves to provide you with perspective on how great life is without them.

A child on the other hand is a gift, you might even say a piece of God, with all the potential in the world. Being a parent can be the most incredibly experience of your life if you let it be. Some of the best parents in the world never intended to be parents; some of the best people in this world were born unwanted, some times even from a rape. Killing your child benefits no one; a life stolen, often times the mother is left with unresolved grief, and she never gets a chance to see the wonders their child could construct.

When bad things happen to you, God can make miracles happen. When you choose to do bad things and harm others, you close yourself to the grace of God.

I couldn't have said it better myself.  That's why I feel the only legitimate cases for abortion are incest and if the life of the mother AND the baby are in jeopardy.  If the baby can live apart from the mother, then sorry mom.

Now, I'll answer the question - Rapes are never intended by God, but no child is a mistake and there are NO illegitimate children.  The baby conceived by a rape has just as much right to live as those who are conceived through humane circumstances.  The term "rape babies" are demeaning to such children.  The babies have just as much right to be born.

You seem to be emphasizing this part... are you implying that abortions intended to save the life of the mother should only occur if the baby's life is in danger, as well?

[Zioneer]

And if so, are headaches also not part of God's intentions? Is taking advil going against God's will as well?

Leaving aside your incredibly insensitive and stupid way of putting it, the Mormon theological view is that everyone has their free will (called "agency"), and that God will not interfere with that, but extreme sinners who do not repent will face judgement after death.

[Yelnoc]

Is this a troll question? Is Memphis a troll now?

Are you deaf, dumb, and blind?

[Jacobtm]

God doesn't exist any more than Zeus, Thor and Spiderman do.

[reagan84]

To paraphrase Jer 1:5- Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you and set you apart for a purpose. 
   I believe that God does have a special purpose for everyone who is conceived regardless of the circumstances and He does not want to see any innocent babies aborted.

As for me, I am pro-life but would allow abortions in the hard cases such as rape, incest, life of mother.  I am sensitive to the trauma that must exist as a result of rape and would not require a woman to carry the baby of the rapist.  In this case, I would not allow my personal objections to be the rule of law.

However, when it comes to abortion on demand and for cases of convenience, it's another matter.  Also, I'm quite sick of the left making it appear that the "hard cases" are the norm rather than the exception.  Even Planned Parenthood admits that 93% of the time, it is done for convenience.

[So rightwing that I broke the Political Compass!]

You want a simple answer? Yes.

A baby is a baby is a baby, and the mother is a mother is a mother. The crime of rape and the baby that results are too separate things, the former doesn't impact how God sees the latter.

Remember, Mary was not asked whether she wanted to birth the baby Jesus. God clearly doesn't consider consent to pregnancy relevant, anymore then he considers consent to death or feeling pain relevant.

Frankly I would consider even adoption immoral, since it constitutes abrogating one's responsibility to one's child. But it's at least better then murdering the child.

[John Dibble]

Remember, Mary was not asked whether she wanted to birth the baby Jesus. God clearly doesn't consider consent to pregnancy relevant, anymore then he considers consent to death or feeling pain relevant.

Against my better judgement I have to ask because the implications of what you have said just now are that blatant - are you saying that Jesus was a rape baby?

[So rightwing that I broke the Political Compass!]

Remember, Mary was not asked whether she wanted to birth the baby Jesus. God clearly doesn't consider consent to pregnancy relevant, anymore then he considers consent to death or feeling pain relevant.

Against my better judgement I have to ask because the implications of what you have said just now are that blatant - are you saying that Jesus was a rape baby?

Their was no sex, therefore no rape. But the impregnation was involuntary, of course. That is stated quite clearly in the Bible.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

To paraphrase Jer 1:5- Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you and set you apart for a purpose.

Your paraphrase distorts the meaning of that verse, especially in the context of the abortion debate.

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That verse is quite consistent with the theological proposition that body and soul unite when the baby takes its first breath of life, just as Adam only became a living being when he received the breath of life. Plus there is abundant evidence in the Old Testament that YHWH does not consider a fetus the same as a living being, most notably in Num 5:11-31, where a procedure is provided to test a woman whose husband suspects but cannot prove that his wife was unfaithful.  If the woman was unfaithful undergoes the test described there, the baby she is carrying will be aborted.