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« on: October 22, 2012, 10:36:30 AM »

The biggest survey of it's kind, Latino Decisions http://www.latinodecisions.com/blog/2012/10/22/latino-voters-highly-engaged-in-presidential-election-support-for-obama-rises/ has been conducting a large scale tracking poll in both English and Spanish for Hispanic/Latino voters in America. In most national polls Hispanic's are a small subset of voters; at time's no more than 50-100 people polled. However these small sample sizes can impact on the reported poll results.

Latino Decisions as of today found that 71% said they would vote for Obama. 20% said they would vote for Romney. During the aftermath of first debate 'bounce' the figures were 67-23. The Pew Hispanic Center http://www.pewhispanic.org/ in their slightly older poll had Obama at 69% to 21% for Romney. Over at Gallup their September 24th-October 14th 'super sample' that had Obama up 3 in Registered Voters overal had the Hispanic vote at 69-26 for Obama.

So in these three large comparable surveys Obama leads Romney by 51, 48 and 43 among Hispanics.

If we allocate 68% to Obama and 22% to Romney (the average of all three figures) just for fun then Obama leads by 46 amongst Hispanics. Exit polls in 2008 gave Obama a 36 lead. So Obama appears to be doing better this time around.

What happens therefore if we remove the small samples of Hispanic voters from the national polls and drop down the above figure? This doesn't for example tinker with likely voter screens or implied turnout. It just corrects for small errors in the data amongst Hispanic voters.

Let's have a look at the PPP poll from 18th-20th October which gave us a draw with both candidates at 48%. Obama lead Hispanics by 57-35, making up 9% of the Likely Voters in a sample of 1200 voters. So theoretically, Hispanics made up around 108 responses. Obama got 62 responses and Romney 38. If we adjust this to the figues I suggested above (which remember are based on larger samples and in the case of two reports; directly designed to gauge voting intention amongst a minority group) Obama 'gains' 11 responses and Romney 'looses' 14 responses. Doesn't seem like much. PPP rounded their figures so we have to work with 576-576. If we adjust these then Obama gets 587 and Romney 562.

That gives Obama 48.9% to 46.8%. That's 49-47 for Obama. Such a small change in the subsample but a bigger change in the headline figures.

What about the IDB/TIPP poll that gives Obama a 5.7% lead? Well they don't have figures for what % of the electorate Hispanics represent, but do give a voting breakdown 62-24. Obama's lead in that poll would be higher. What about the Politico poll today which has Romney ahead 49-47? Well they reported 44% vote for Romney amongst Hispanics (which would be the highest % vote a Republican president has ever got with Hispanics). If we re-weight that poll then we end up with an Obama lead of 49-47

Now of course small errors in the other demographic subsets could cancel out these errors. This model is simply designed to highlight potential pitfalls in measuring support in one key group

If the Hispanic vote is as decisive for Obama as Latino Decisions, Pew and even Gallup suggest, then Obama is in a stronger position that it perhaps appears. Given that white voters make up 70+% of voters, then the sample sizes are large enough to reduce potential error. What we don't have of course are wider surveys for African/American and other minority voters.
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« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2012, 11:11:32 AM »

This is really good news. Obama is not only holding on to his base of support among Hispanics but he looks to be gaining. In a close state like Colorado, this could put him over the edge. I just hope the respondents are as likely to vote as they say they are.
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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2012, 11:19:13 AM »

Yes this is I think why a small lead in Nevada is far better than a small lead in Wisconsin.. or even why tied in Colorado is better than a hair's-breadth lead in Ohio..

Going a little crazy with this theme:

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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2012, 12:34:24 PM »

The new Monmouth Poll is interesting for the same reason.

Romney is up by 48-45. He leads whites 57-38, and looses blacks by 6 - 82. Yet he only trails Obama by 6 points 42-48 in Hispanics. They have Hispanics making up 12% of likely voters which is high.

So internals (weighted) suggests Romney got 673 to 631. If Hispanics made up 12% (bit high, blacks are only at 11% in the poll) of the 1402 polled (again weighted) then that would be 168; 71 for Romney, 82 for Obama. Adjusting it to the figures I played with you get 114 for Obama to 37 for Romney. So that's Romney down 34 and Obama up 32. So you'd get 639 to 663 and Obama leading 47-46.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2012, 04:17:29 AM »

So in this analysis was fairly correct; a 71-27% split to Obama amongst Hispanics with a 44pt lead.
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