PA, Susquehanna: Romney in the lead

[pa2011]

Probably not worth continuing this pointless discussion, but according to Source Watch there are 5,099 underground coal mining jobs and another 2,427 above ground jobs related to coal in the entire state of Pennsylvania. To put that in conext, during steel era, in 1980, there were an estimated 90,000 steel workers in just the Pittsburgh area. 

[J. J.]

Probably not worth continuing this pointless discussion, but according to Source Watch there are 5,099 underground coal mining jobs and another 2,427 above ground jobs related to coal in the entire state of Pennsylvania. To put that in conext, during steel era, in 1980, there were an estimated 90,000 steel workers in just the Pittsburgh area. 

The figures I have, from a 2010 report are 41,000, in mining and direct support, but that doesn't include things like power generation.  Coal powered generating stations supply half the power to PA.  While steel is no longer the mainstay of the PA economy, it also requires the use of coal.

http://www.alleghenyconference.org/PDFs/PELMisc/EconomicImpactOfCoalIndustryInPa0410.pdf

[TheGlobalizer]

The visit is about optics and OH proximity.  I think PA is in play but if I'm Romney I'm not betting my map on it.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

2006-2010 ACS figures show about 22,000 people in PA employed in mining, quarrying and oil and gas extraction. Many of these jobs will not be in the coal industry (obviously). Anyway, we can be absolutely clear about a couple of things, and that is that (much like all other old industrial regions) the coal industry in PA employs only a tiny fraction of what it used to, and that it is dubious to assume that people who work in it (or are directly dependent on it) will automatically vote as their employers would wish...

[Phony Moderate]

Three pages for a poll that everyone agrees has an R tilt? Ugh.

[J. J.]

2006-2010 ACS figures show about 22,000 people in PA employed in mining, quarrying and oil and gas extraction. Many of these jobs will not be in the coal industry (obviously). Anyway, we can be absolutely clear about a couple of things, and that is that (much like all other old industrial regions) the coal industry in PA employs only a tiny fraction of what it used to, and that it is dubious to assume that people who work in it (or are directly dependent on it) will automatically vote as their employers would wish...

The site previously cited gave the number as 66,000, including people working in support and administrative staff.  Most were not miners directly.  That is about 1% of the PA workforce employed in the industry.

There are also people indirectly associated with it, i.e. people employed with power generation and some of the steel industry.  It also excludes spillover jobs, e.g., the clerk at the store that sells groceries to employees, the doctor who treats them, the used car salesman who sells them cars.

While some parts of OH, Youngstown, are in the Pittsburgh Media Market, it is very small sliver of the OH population (about 10% or less).

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

Three pages for a poll that everyone agrees has an R tilt? Ugh.

PA is clearly in Romney's column, you see?

God even the conservative on Bill Maher's panel last night claimed PA just went for Romney based on this poll.  This is such a stupid ignorant bunch, these right wingers. 

[opebo]

As it stands now:

[cinyc]

While some parts of OH, Youngstown, are in the Pittsburgh Media Market, it is very small sliver of the OH population (about 10% or less).

No part of Ohio is in the Pittsburgh TV market.  Youngstown has its own TV market with its own TV stations.  Other Ohio areas close to Pittsburgh are in the Steubenville-Wheeling TV market.

[Warren 4 Secretary of Everything]

As it stands now:

Dude, are you really gonna change Pennsylvania thanks to an R-Polling Firm.

[J. J.]

While some parts of OH, Youngstown, are in the Pittsburgh Media Market, it is very small sliver of the OH population (about 10% or less).

No part of Ohio is in the Pittsburgh TV market.  Youngstown has its own TV market with its own TV stations.  Other Ohio areas close to Pittsburgh are in the Steubenville-Wheeling TV market.

They actually are.  There is penetration of Pittsburgh radio/television stations into the Youngstown area, even west of the city.

Some of the Steubenville-Wheeling stations actually get penetration about 40 miles east of Pittsburgh.

(And no, I don't buy this poll.)

[cinyc]

While some parts of OH, Youngstown, are in the Pittsburgh Media Market, it is very small sliver of the OH population (about 10% or less).

No part of Ohio is in the Pittsburgh TV market.  Youngstown has its own TV market with its own TV stations.  Other Ohio areas close to Pittsburgh are in the Steubenville-Wheeling TV market.

They actually are.  There is penetration of Pittsburgh radio/television stations into the Youngstown area, even west of the city.

Some of the Steubenville-Wheeling stations actually get penetration about 40 miles east of Pittsburgh.

(And no, I don't buy this poll.)

Some of the stations might get penetration, but none of the Pittsburgh DMA is in Ohio.  That means unless the Pittsburgh station is significantly viewed in a particular Ohio county, on cable, local Pittsburgh commercials get overridden when the same show is on an Ohio channel.  The few people that watch over-the-air would get the Pittsburgh commercials, but it wouldn't make any sense advertising in Pittsburgh to reach a few over-the-air viewers in Ohio.  There has been no presidential political advertising in the Pittsburgh market for months.

[J. J.]

While some parts of OH, Youngstown, are in the Pittsburgh Media Market, it is very small sliver of the OH population (about 10% or less).

No part of Ohio is in the Pittsburgh TV market.  Youngstown has its own TV market with its own TV stations.  Other Ohio areas close to Pittsburgh are in the Steubenville-Wheeling TV market.

They actually are.  There is penetration of Pittsburgh radio/television stations into the Youngstown area, even west of the city.

Some of the Steubenville-Wheeling stations actually get penetration about 40 miles east of Pittsburgh.

(And no, I don't buy this poll.)

Some of the stations might get penetration, but none of the Pittsburgh DMA is in Ohio.  That means unless the Pittsburgh station is significantly viewed in a particular Ohio county, on cable, local Pittsburgh commercials get overridden when the same show is on an Ohio channel.  The few people that watch over-the-air would get the Pittsburgh commercials, but it wouldn't make any sense advertising in Pittsburgh to reach a few over-the-air viewers in Ohio.  There has been no presidential political advertising in the Pittsburgh market for months.

The local news in PA is watched in the Youngstown area.  They get repeater signal from some of the Pittsburgh stations and the "local" stations also cover PA.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngstown,_Ohio#Media

Basically, something well covered in the Pittsburgh area will be picked up in the Youngstown area.  It is only a sliver of the OH electorate.

[cinyc]

The local news in PA is watched in the Youngstown area.  They get repeater signal from some of the Pittsburgh stations and the "local" stations also cover PA.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngstown,_Ohio#Media

Basically, something well covered in the Pittsburgh area will be picked up in the Youngstown area.  It is only a sliver of the OH electorate.

According to zap2it.com, the Pittsburgh stations aren't even on cable in Youngstown, and the FCC doesn't list the Pittsburgh stations as significantly viewed in Mahoning or Trumbull Counties.  Some Pittsburgh stations are considered significantly viewed in some Ohio border counties to the south of Youngstown, but all of those counties are technically part of another primary TV market with local stations that air local news more tailored to those localities than the Pittsburgh local news.

Ryan's not going to Pittsburgh to reach Ohio.

[J. J.]

The local news in PA is watched in the Youngstown area.  They get repeater signal from some of the Pittsburgh stations and the "local" stations also cover PA.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youngstown,_Ohio#Media

Basically, something well covered in the Pittsburgh area will be picked up in the Youngstown area.  It is only a sliver of the OH electorate.

According to zap2it.com, the Pittsburgh stations aren't even on cable in Youngstown, and the FCC doesn't list the Pittsburgh stations as significantly viewed in Mahoning or Trumbull Counties.  Some Pittsburgh stations are considered significantly viewed in some Ohio border counties to the south of Youngstown, but all of those counties are technically part of another primary TV market with local stations that air local news more tailored to those localities than the Pittsburgh local news.

Ryan's not going to Pittsburgh to reach Ohio.

Well, as I indicated, it would be a sliver of OH.  I can understand why Ryan is making a pitch on coal, but that would be for WV or PA.  WV is solidly Romney, and PA should be solidly Obama. 

[opebo]

As it stands now:

Dude, are you really gonna change Pennsylvania thanks to an R-Polling Firm.

No, I meant my post as humorous.

[J. J.]

Ryan spoke north of Pittsburgh, which probably means some coverage in Youngstown.  It would help with OH.

The subject was energy, including coal.  It got coverage into Phila.