Where do our souls go after we die?

[Frodo]

And by extension, do you believe either Heaven, Purgatory, and/or Hell exist?

[HagridOfTheDeep]

If you believe that there's an omniverse, any one of the other universes could have laws of physics that would permit the existence of a free-floating soul.

[Spanish Moss]

There's more than the options provided in religious and spiritual philosophy.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

There's more than the options provided in religious and spiritual philosophy.

Indeed, for example, Seventh-Day Adventists among others believe in the concept of mortalism, in which the soul is conscious only while the body is alive and thus sleeps between death and the resurrection to come on Judgement Day.  Mortalism certainly seems to be a sounder theology than belief in Purgatory.

[DC Al Fine]

There's more than the options provided in religious and spiritual philosophy.

Indeed, for example, Seventh-Day Adventists among others believe in the concept of mortalism, in which the soul is conscious only while the body is alive and thus sleeps between death and the resurrection to come on Judgement Day.  Mortalism certainly seems to be a sounder theology than belief in Purgatory.

How so?

[Joe Biden 2020]

Simple, those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior will spend eternity in heaven.  Those who don't, will spend eternity in hell.  There is no Purgatory and there is no "mortalism".

[DC Al Fine]

Simple, those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior will spend eternity in heaven.  Those who don't, will spend eternity in hell.  There is no Purgatory and there is no "mortalism".

I agree with you, I was just wondering why the poster above thought Mortalism was sounder than Purgatory.

[opebo]

Such things do not exist, Prude.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

There's more than the options provided in religious and spiritual philosophy.

Indeed, for example, Seventh-Day Adventists among others believe in the concept of mortalism, in which the soul is conscious only while the body is alive and thus sleeps between death and the resurrection to come on Judgement Day.  Mortalism certainly seems to be a sounder theology than belief in Purgatory.

How so?

The justification for the concept of Purgatory comes mainly from the deutrocanonical 2nd Maccabees, and certainly cannot be justified on the basis of the canonical portions of the Old Testament.  Given the system of offerings established in the Mosaic law for the redemption of the sins of the living, one would think that if the sins of the dead could be redeemed by the living that too would have been included in the Mosaic law, but it is not.

By contrast, the debate between mortalism and immortalism largely rests upon textual interpretations and one's views on the timing and degree of the adoption by the Hebrews of Hellenistic thought concerning the soul as having a separate existence from the body.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

Such things do not exist, Prude.

lol...

yea... this, but not in so many words

[DC Al Fine]

There's more than the options provided in religious and spiritual philosophy.

Indeed, for example, Seventh-Day Adventists among others believe in the concept of mortalism, in which the soul is conscious only while the body is alive and thus sleeps between death and the resurrection to come on Judgement Day.  Mortalism certainly seems to be a sounder theology than belief in Purgatory.

How so?

The justification for the concept of Purgatory comes mainly from the deutrocanonical 2nd Maccabees, and certainly cannot be justified on the basis of the canonical portions of the Old Testament.  Given the system of offerings established in the Mosaic law for the redemption of the sins of the living, one would think that if the sins of the dead could be redeemed by the living that too would have been included in the Mosaic law, but it is not.

By contrast, the debate between mortalism and immortalism largely rests upon textual interpretations and one's views on the timing and degree of the adoption by the Hebrews of Hellenistic thought concerning the soul as having a separate existence from the body.

Interesting thoughts. Would you mind giving be chapter and verse in 2nd Maccabees? I'd like to check it out.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

There's more than the options provided in religious and spiritual philosophy.

Indeed, for example, Seventh-Day Adventists among others believe in the concept of mortalism, in which the soul is conscious only while the body is alive and thus sleeps between death and the resurrection to come on Judgement Day.  Mortalism certainly seems to be a sounder theology than belief in Purgatory.

This is true.  As many of you may know, I'm an Adventist, so my church officially teaches that the soul is, in fact, mortal and that people "sleep" in the grave when they die and don't go straight to heaven.  Also, my church teaches that people are destroyed in hell.  While the Bible does describe people suffering eternal punishment in hell, this is not necessarily contradictory to Adventist belief, since the punishment is eternal (in terms of consequences), even if the people don't stay alive and in torment.  Personally, I consider the biblical description of death as a sleep to be more metaphorical than literal, and I don't think we will ever know for sure what happens to our souls after death.  To me, "sleep" simply means that death is a temporary state where, like unconsciousness, we are unaware of anything.  The Bible give accounts of many people who did go directly to heaven when they died, and some who went to heaven without physically dying (Enoch, Elijah, etc.).  Doug Batchelor, a prominent Adventist evangelist, has said that it cannot be possible that people go directly to heaven after death because it would have been cruel for Jesus to raise Lazarus from the dead and bring him out of heaven and back to the earth.  In contrast, I've heard the Rev. Franklin Graham (not an Adventist, obviously) say that that was the reason that Jesus wept when Mary and Martha brought Him to Lazarus' grave.  Once in Sabbath school when we were discussing this, my uncle brought up a very good point that I had always agreed with, which is that it woud be cruel to tell someone who has just experienced the death of a loved one that he/she is not in heaven but is rotting away in a grave.  I find it ironic that I hear so many of my fellow Adventists say that they've comforted people with thieir teachings on this subject, because I personally think that the thought of my loved ones happy in heaven would be more comforting, as long as they weren't aware what was happening on earth.  I could go on and on about this, but in summary, I don't think we'll ever know for sure the answer to this question.

[angus]

...Mortalism certainly seems to be a sounder theology...

The justification for the concept of Purgatory comes mainly from the deutrocanonical 2nd Maccabees, and certainly cannot be justified on the basis of the canonical portions of the Old Testament.  Given the system of offerings established in the Mosaic law for the redemption of the sins of the living, one would think that if the sins of the dead could be redeemed by the living that too would have been included in the Mosaic law, but it is not.

By contrast, the debate between mortalism and immortalism largely rests upon textual interpretations and one's views on the timing and degree of the adoption by the Hebrews of Hellenistic thought concerning the soul as having a separate existence from the body.

wow.  you're deep, man.  Okay, I knew you were a well-informed poster, but heretofore I had thought your philosophical meanderings were limited to legal and political matters.  Good post.  Still, I reserve the right to label your post as pure horseshit.  I'll have to think about it a little more.  You see, I started thinking about this today after the pseudo-mass I attended at the LCBC megachurch, and also because I had recently bought a child's version of Homer's Odyssey and we're reading a chapter every night lately.  ("It's all in the timing" comes off a little trite, even unctuous, when we consider the grand epochal evolution of Greek understanding of the cosmos and man, even if you're limiting it to the few centuries of early Christianity or Rabbinical Judaism.)

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Interesting thoughts. Would you mind giving be chapter and verse in 2nd Maccabees? I'd like to check it out.

2 Maccabees 12:38-45.  While they do not explicitly call the state purgatory, those verses do mention making offerings on behalf of the dead in anticipation of their eventual resurrection.

wow.  you're deep, man.  Okay, I knew you were a well-informed poster, but heretofore I had thought your philosophical meanderings were limited to legal and political matters.  Good post.  Still, I reserve the right to label your post as pure horseshit.  I'll have to think about it a little more.  You see, I started thinking about this today after the pseudo-mass I attended at the LCBC megachurch, and also because I had recently bought a child's version of Homer's Odyssey and we're reading a chapter every night lately.  ("It's all in the timing" comes off a little trite, even unctuous, when we consider the grand epochal evolution of Greek understanding of the cosmos and man, even if you're limiting it to the few centuries of early Christianity or Rabbinical Judaism.)

While the details evolved, even in the early myths you have Hades presiding over a realm where the souls of the dead are collected, so the evidence for Greek philosophy including the concept of the soul functioning independently of the body is fairly ancient.  You don't find that in the most ancient parts of the Old Testament and when it does start to appear (if at all) depends in large part on how one interprets the text.

[User157088589849]

The soul is the emotional feeling with in ourselves. its not something inside us.

[Yelnoc]

The soul is the emotional feeling with in ourselves. its not something inside us.

Care to explain?

And to the OP, how should I know?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

The soul is the emotional feeling with in ourselves. its not something inside us.

Care to explain?

And to the OP, how should I know?

While I can't explain what Blondie meant, I took it as expressing rejection of the soul-body duality (or mind-body duality if you insist on being secular about it). That he sees them as no a them but as an integrated it that is inseparable.

[k-onmmunist]

nota. our consciousness is extinguished but we never truly die since we're all one anyway imo.