Bill For the Planning a Financing of Mag/Lev Reaserch

[ilikeverin]

I do not see a SINGLE STOP in the Midwest in that bill.

Milwaukee? Chicago?

Are they not in the Midwest?

No, they are not in the Midwest.

Jake: But the Twin Cities, Duluth, Rochester (perhaps for a spur... the Mayo Clinic is here), Denver, Albuquerque, Des Moines...

As a resident of the Midwest, I am outraged that such prominant residents of Atlasia such as Senator Supersoulty and Jake cannot name the states of the Midwest.

ILV, notice I didn't include Hartford, Long Island, Newark, Trenton, Richmond, Atlanta, Miami, Tampa, St. Louis, or Pittsburgh, all of which would be more profitable then EVERY city that you named.

In the bill, the possibility was left open for more spurs to be built.  Right now, it isn't economically profitable to build them.  All you want, Mr. Governor, is your slice of the pork.  Instead of developing the best system for Atlasia, you want us to repeat the disaster of AMTRAK with new technology.

Also, Supersoulty, you might want to add a clause saying additional spurs can be added, when economically profitable.

Well, sir, if you were really looking for profitability, you could include at least one stop in Texas!

I don't know what your motive is, but I question it.

[Jake]

Horrible, horrible, horrible:

Northeast-9
South-1
Mideast-8
Midwest-1
West-10

ILV, ask yourself where the most business travelers are going to be traveling from.  The east & west coasts have the profitable markets for these lines.  You don't build a massive sports stadium in boise and you don't construct a fast train line in the Rockies.  It just doesn't happen.

[Jake]

I do not see a SINGLE STOP in the Midwest in that bill.

Milwaukee? Chicago?

Are they not in the Midwest?

No, they are not in the Midwest.

Jake: But the Twin Cities, Duluth, Rochester (perhaps for a spur... the Mayo Clinic is here), Denver, Albuquerque, Des Moines...

As a resident of the Midwest, I am outraged that such prominant residents of Atlasia such as Senator Supersoulty and Jake cannot name the states of the Midwest.

ILV, notice I didn't include Hartford, Long Island, Newark, Trenton, Richmond, Atlanta, Miami, Tampa, St. Louis, or Pittsburgh, all of which would be more profitable then EVERY city that you named.

In the bill, the possibility was left open for more spurs to be built.  Right now, it isn't economically profitable to build them.  All you want, Mr. Governor, is your slice of the pork.  Instead of developing the best system for Atlasia, you want us to repeat the disaster of AMTRAK with new technology.

Also, Supersoulty, you might want to add a clause saying additional spurs can be added, when economically profitable.

Well, sir, if you were really looking for profitability, you could include at least one stop in Texas!

I don't know what your motive is, but I question it.

AFAIK Texas is planning the construction of a massive 10 plus lane highway system spanning the State.  I viewed it to be a slight waste to supercede this plan which AFAIK includes a train line in it.

[ilikeverin]

Horrible, horrible, horrible:

Northeast-9
South-1
Mideast-8
Midwest-1
West-10

ILV, ask yourself where the most business travelers are going to be traveling from.  The east & west coasts have the profitable markets for these lines.  You don't build a massive sports stadium in boise and you don't construct a fast train line in the Rockies.  It just doesn't happen.

1) I see nothing connecting the coasts.
2) You do build a massive sports stadium in Denver, and it is profitable!
3) Of course a train line in the Rockies is profitable; just ask the people who built the transcontinental railway!

[Jake]

Horrible, horrible, horrible:

Northeast-9
South-1
Mideast-8
Midwest-1
West-10

ILV, ask yourself where the most business travelers are going to be traveling from.  The east & west coasts have the profitable markets for these lines.  You don't build a massive sports stadium in boise and you don't construct a fast train line in the Rockies.  It just doesn't happen.

1) I see nothing connecting the coasts.
2) You do build a massive sports stadium in Denver, and it is profitable!
3) Of course a train line in the Rockies is profitable; just ask the people who built the transcontinental railway!

ILV, the Mag/Lev trains are profitable when they are used as replacements for air travel.  It is more profitable to fly from St. Louis to Denver than it is to take the Mag/Lev there.  It is more profitable to take existing train lines from the Twin Cities to Boise than Mag/Lev travel.

[12th Doctor]

Magnetic Levitation (Mag/Lev) Research Bill

Atlasia recognizes the potential of Magnetic Levitation technology if applied to transportation.  Already, competitors overseas have developed high speed transportation utilizing this technology.  Atlasia can not afford to fall behind in this rapidly expanding industry. Because of this, the following steps will be taken.

1) Atlasia shall invest in funding for research for Mag-Lev trains of $100 million over the next 20 years.

2) Atlasia will then work with private corporations and contractors to construct regional Mag/Lev transportation lines in the following regions.

   a) A line will be constructed extending from Boston-New York City-Philadelphia-Baltimore-Washington D.C.-Richmond-Raleigh-Charlotte-Atlanta

   b) A line will be constucted extending from Buffalo-Erie-Cleveland-Toledo-Chicago-Milwaukee-Minneapolis , with spurs extending south

from Cleveland-Columbus-Cincinatti, Erie-Pittsburgh and from Toledo-Detroit.

   c) A line will be constructed extending from Seattle-Portland-San Francisco-Sacramento-Los Angeles-San Diego-Phoenix, with spurs extending from Phoenix-Grand Canyon-Las Vegas and from San Francisco-Reno/Lake Tahoe.

   d) A line will be constructed extending from New York City-Washington D.C.-Orlando which will be used as an express, direct route to Central Florida. The use of automobile transporting train cars will be encouraged.

                e) A line will be constructed in Texas.  All lines will intersect in Austin, from which point there will be one line to Dallas, one line to Houston and one line to San Antonio.

3) Clause 2 shall be implemented by 2030.

4) No monies shall be appropiated from the Treasury of Atlasia for the purpose of constructing these lines.


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Are you placated now, Governor?

[Jake]

Don't placate him.  Of these lines, only the Texas line is profitable enough, and I already mentioned their highway system that is planned.  The Southern line and the Minneanapolis stop are wasteful and unprofitable.

Also, "all lines will intersect at Austin"-Do you mean all four other lines, or the spurs to SanAn, Houston, and Dallas?

[12th Doctor]

Don't placate him.  Of these lines, only the Texas line is profitable enough, and I already mentioned their highway system that is planned.  The Southern line and the Minneanapolis stop are wasteful and unprofitable.

Also, "all lines will intersect at Austin"-Do you mean all four other lines, or the spurs to SanAn, Houston, and Dallas?

Meaing that Austin will be the intersection, and from there, one spur will go to each city.

[12th Doctor]

I'm changing the bill once again.  The Richmond and Charlotte stations will be eliminated.




Magnetic Levitation (Mag/Lev) Research Bill

Atlasia recognizes the potential of Magnetic Levitation technology if applied to transportation.  Already, competitors overseas have developed high speed transportation utilizing this technology.  Atlasia can not afford to fall behind in this rapidly expanding industry. Because of this, the following steps will be taken.

1) Atlasia shall invest in funding for research for Mag-Lev trains of $100 million over the next 20 years.

2) Atlasia will then work with private corporations and contractors to construct regional Mag/Lev transportation lines in the following regions.

   a) A line will be constructed extending from Boston-New York City-Philadelphia-Baltimore-Washington D.C.-Raleigh-Atlanta

   b) A line will be constucted extending from Buffalo-Erie-Cleveland-Toledo-Chicago-Milwaukee-Minneapolis , with spurs extending south

from Cleveland-Columbus-Cincinatti, Erie-Pittsburgh and from Toledo-Detroit.

   c) A line will be constructed extending from Seattle-Portland-San Francisco-Sacramento-Los Angeles-San Diego-Phoenix, with spurs extending from Phoenix-Grand Canyon-Las Vegas and from San Francisco-Reno/Lake Tahoe.

   d) A line will be constructed extending from New York City-Nyman-Orlando which will be used as an express, direct route to Central Florida. The use of automobile transporting train cars will be encouraged.

                e) A line will be constructed in Texas.  All lines will intersect in Austin, from which point there will be one line to Dallas, one line to Houston and one line to San Antonio.

3) Clause 2 shall be implemented by 2030.

4) No monies shall be appropiated from the Treasury of Atlasia for the purpose of constructing these lines.

[ilikeverin]

NE: 5.444(4444...) people/stop
SE: 22 people/stop (1 stop!  and that's just for New Englanders who want Disney vacations)
ME: 2.875 people/stop
MW: 15 people/stop (1 stop)
W: 2.2 people/stop

[12th Doctor]

Keep in mind that these lines are best used, as Jake said, in place of planes and for express travel.  Therefore, until we can get people to use the lines, planning a massive net wrok will not be profitable.  Especially when you take into account the possible advances in air-travel.

[Jake]

NE: 5.444(4444...) people/stop
SE: 22 people/stop (1 stop!  and that's just for New Englanders who want Disney vacations)
ME: 2.875 people/stop
MW: 15 people/stop (1 stop)
W: 2.2 people/stop

I repeat myself. Profitability & Speed

[12th Doctor]

NE: 5.444(4444...) people/stop
SE: 22 people/stop (1 stop!  and that's just for New Englanders who want Disney vacations)
ME: 2.875 people/stop
MW: 15 people/stop (1 stop)
W: 2.2 people/stop

At this point, I would ask the governor to shut-up.  His point has been made, and I refuse to listen further.


Also, we are going by acctual population figures, not Atlasian voters.

[Jake]

NE: 5.444(4444...) people/stop
SE: 22 people/stop (1 stop!  and that's just for New Englanders who want Disney vacations)
ME: 2.875 people/stop
MW: 15 people/stop (1 stop)
W: 2.2 people/stop

At this point, I would ask the governor to shut-up.  His point has been made, and I refuse to listen further.


Also, we are going by acctual population figures, not Atlasian voters.

I too will shut up when Verin does.

[12th Doctor]

Can debate on this bill begin now, JFK?

[Akno21]

I think we need to keep the South out of the Boston-DC line. Of all the possibilities listed here, only a Boston-DC line has proven to turn a profit.

Also, shouldn't we have a line to Nyman?

[Jake]

I think we need to keep the South out of the Boston-DC line. Of all the possibilities listed here, only a Boston-DC line has proven to turn a profit.

Also, shouldn't we have a line to Nyman?

I agree, but if the senators want a southern line, the South East will take it. 

And Nyman is what we call the Government District of DC so quiet in the corner

[Akno21]

I think we need to keep the South out of the Boston-DC line. Of all the possibilities listed here, only a Boston-DC line has proven to turn a profit.

Also, shouldn't we have a line to Nyman?

I agree, but if the senators want a southern line, the South East will take it. 

And Nyman is what we call the Government District of DC so quiet in the corner

I always thought Nyman was off that part of Michigan that borders Wisconsin.

[12th Doctor]

Thank you.  The change has been made.




Magnetic Levitation (Mag/Lev) Research Bill

Atlasia recognizes the potential of Magnetic Levitation technology if applied to transportation.  Already, competitors overseas have developed high speed transportation utilizing this technology.  Atlasia can not afford to fall behind in this rapidly expanding industry. Because of this, the following steps will be taken.

1) Atlasia shall invest in funding for research for Mag-Lev trains of $100 million over the next 20 years.

2) Atlasia will then work with private corporations and contractors to construct regional Mag/Lev transportation lines in the following regions.

   a) A line will be constructed extending from Boston-New York City-Philadelphia-Baltimore-Nyman-Raleigh-Atlanta

   b) A line will be constucted extending from Buffalo-Erie-Cleveland-Toledo-Chicago-Milwaukee-Minneapolis , with spurs extending south

from Cleveland-Columbus-Cincinatti, Erie-Pittsburgh and from Toledo-Detroit.

   c) A line will be constructed extending from Seattle-Portland-San Francisco-Sacramento-Los Angeles-San Diego-Phoenix, with spurs extending from Phoenix-Grand Canyon-Las Vegas and from San Francisco-Reno/Lake Tahoe.

   d) A line will be constructed extending from New York City-Nyman-Orlando which will be used as an express, direct route to Central Florida. The use of automobile transporting train cars will be encouraged.

                e) A line will be constructed in Texas.  All lines will intersect in Austin, from which point there will be one line to Dallas, one line to Houston and one line to San Antonio.

3) Clause 2 shall be implemented by 2030.

4) No monies shall be appropiated from the Treasury of Atlasia for the purpose of constructing these lines.

[Platypus]

My map. Places in CAPS are tage 1 stations, places underlined are hubs. Other stations and lines created as necessary. The stage 1 line is Seattle-San Francisco-Los Angeles-Denver-St. Louis-Chicago-Cleveland-Philadelphia-DC-Atlanta; Philadelphia-NYC-Boston.

Maps:



and...

[Platypus]

NE: 5.444(4444...) people/stop
SE: 22 people/stop (1 stop!  and that's just for New Englanders who want Disney vacations)
ME: 2.875 people/stop
MW: 15 people/stop (1 stop)
W: 2.2 people/stop

At this point, I would ask the governor to shut-up.  His point has been made, and I refuse to listen further.


Also, we are going by actual population figures, not Atlasian voters.

Jake was the sole motivation for my proposal to kick out people from snate debate threads

BTW, the maximum profitability is in mid-lenght journeys. IE, ones too short to make air travel worthwhile and long enough to convince people the slight extra cost in the train ticket is worth it-why pay twenty dollars more to get there 5 minutes earlier? Paying twenty dollars more to arrive an hour and a half earlier is much more likely to be sucessful.

[JohnFKennedy]

I hereby open the debate on this bill.

[12th Doctor]

Thank you, Senator.

I would just like to address some of the comments and concerns of my fellow collegues.

First of, I thank Hugh for his work on a detailed plan.  There were several things that he did not understand, however.  I had to explain to him that the real Unitied States does not have a functioning rail system.  Quite an oddity to the rest of the world, I am sure, but it is a reallit here.  Thus, certain parts ohis plan needed to be revised.

First off, I feel that a Toledo station is needed and profitable, not only as a link to Detriot, but also due to the close proximity of that city to Sandusky, Ohio, which is the location of Cedar Point, the, so-called, greatest theme park in the world.

Second, I do not support a plan that links every small city in the country.  We do need a measure of scope here.  A rail system linking every city just isn't practical at this time.  And would probably be highly unprofitable.

Third, this does not, however, mean, as some Senators have suggested, that we need to limit our selves to an East Coast system.  Though most of the stations our concentrated there, because that is the area that has the largest potential for profit.  At some point, we need to move inland, though a transcontinental system is, admittedly, as ways off.

Fourth, in defiance of logic, many have suggestes that we only need a few stations, as the trains are only a replacement for medium range travel.  Therefore, they contend that we don't need stations in some places, because no one will want to go from Buffalo to Erie.  This may be true, but some people might want to go from Buffalo to Pittsburgh or Rochester to Erie.  It therefore makes sense to have both a Buffalo and Erie station, rather than just one or the other.  Just because people aren't going to use the system to travel to adjacent cities does not mean that they won't want to get to a certain city from 4 stations away.

I stand by my bill, in its current form.

[Gabu]

I personally support the bill in its current form.  The Mag/Lev system, as I understand it, is supposed to be somewhere halfway between air travel and train travel, and it is currently in its very early infancy; therefore, I see no reason with limiting it to large cities where it would make a good profit.  If we later find that there's a distinct market that could be had in smaller cities, we can expand it there later.

[Siege40]

Looks good, I'm on board.

Siege