Is Jacques Chirac a conservative?

[The Man From G.O.P.]

mother f**cker is named after a way you cut potato.  dickwad.   probably has enough cheese under his uncut forskin to spread on a sourdough batard and and still have enough left over for dinner.

Uhhh... cmon man were just having a bit of fun here.... lets not get disgusting please

[J. J.]

Chirac, by the European political spectrum, is a conservative.  He wants France to world power.  Problem is, it hasn't been for 135 years.

Let's take a look at what France has accomplished, as a world power in the last century.

WWI:  Needed American help to keep the Arc de Triumph from being demolished and renamed "Kaiser Wilhelmplatz."

WWII:  Needed American help to keep the Champs
d’Elysee from being permanently renamed "Adolph Hitler Strass."

1950's:  Defeated in Vietnam and Egypt.

1960:  Surrendered part of Metropolitian France to the Algerian.

1980's: Lost a war against Greenpeace.

Marianne was a strong, beautiful women, but now she a is toothless, graying, hag, with sagging breasts.  She had nothing but the memories of her former greatness, and it is to those memories that Chirac attemps to make love.  

[The Man From G.O.P.]

Chirac, by the European political spectrum, is a conservative.  He wants France to world power.  Problem is, it hasn't been for 135 years.

Let's take a look at what France has accomplished, as a world power in the last century.

WWI:  Needed American help to keep the Arc de Triumph from being demolished and renamed "Kaiser Wilhelmplatz."

WWII:  Needed American help to keep the Champs
d’Elysee from being permanently renamed "Adolph Hitler Strass."

1950's:  Defeated in Vietnam and Egypt.

1960:  Surrendered part of Metropolitian France to the Algerian.

1980's: Lost a war against Greenpeace.

Marianne was a strong, beautiful women, but now she a is toothless, graying, hag, with sagging breasts.  She had nothing but the memories of her former greatness, and it is to those memories that Chirac attemps to make love.  

JJ wins the award for the most informative and yet distubing description of modern french history

[angus]

I don't know why everyone is angry at Angus. He just made some personal observations. I personally thought they were hilarious, but that's just me:)

well, the dems don't like me 'cause I'm a republican.  the republicans don't like me cause I'm a clintonite (a RINO, as it were), and catholics on my dad's side don't like me 'cause my mother's a jew, and the jews don't like me cause I'm pro-palestine.  the chinks don't like me 'cause I married one of their women.  the english don't like me 'cause I'm always insulting them, and the french don't like me 'cause, well, they're french.  but aside from that, I usually get along with everyone.  basically, I like everyone and no one likes me.  well, peter griffin would like me, if he knew me. 

oh, and on this thread I did violate the cardinal rule.  you ever see the episode of Friends (I don't like any of them) where rachel and monica were fighting over who got to date jean-claude van damme?  So phoebe steps into the middle of the fight, which was none of her business, and grabs both of 'em by the ears, and makes them make nice.  Well, she did that because she's an american, and that's what americans do.  and in so doing make more enemies than friends (which is ironic, considering the name of the show.)

[phk]

Will your idiotic non-sense end? You've pretty much destroyed an entire thread.

People like you make me regret I was ever for gun-control.

[angus]

I think the queers might like me.  I do get hit on lots.  and I've bent over backwards (metaphorically speaking, I assure you) to further their interests.  no kidding. 

[ThePrezMex]

Will your idiotic non-sense end? You've pretty much destroyed an entire thread.

No kidding! it is happening a lot, at least in this International section. Just take a look at what happened in the thread I started the other day: Best African Rulers

[Jens]

Will your idiotic non-sense end? You've pretty much destroyed an entire thread.

No kidding! it is happening a lot, at least in this International section. Just take a look at what happened in the thread I started the other day: Best African Rulers

Yes, that is a truely messed up thread. And Richieus got away with talking about his sexuality instead of responding on the rebufs on his views on Apartheid rulers ;-)

[opebo]

Chirac is in fact a conservative, but he also abides by the traditional French foreign policy of blaming French national failure on America and their McDonalds, which doesn't even use fresh cheese (or as they say in France, "Fresh fromage")!  He is the failed leader of a failed nation, he can have is double digit unemployment, collapsing pension system, and "granduer", I'm perfectly happy with my growing GDP and a version of football that barely involves my feet.  Sixty years ago, we saved the world while the French practiced speaking German, today we save it while they practice speaking Arabic.

It is all a matter of perspective John Ford.  From the perspective of the lower 90% of the population, France is a far more successful nation than the US.  Quality of life is far better there for all but the very rich.  Why do you think that the working poor of America, permanently trapped in $7 an hour jobs with no social safety net to fall back on would care about whether GDP grew by 2% or 4% in a given year?  They see almost none of that $. 

[Democratic Hawk]

Since he's a Gaullist, I'd say Chirac is conservative

Dave

[Umengus]

1) The majority of corsicans want to stay french. Under Napoleon (a corsican man...), a guy who said that Corse was not in France had to be killed...

2)  It's difficult to say if Chirac is a conservative or not. That depends (maybe) on the prism which you use.

-Us Prism:
a) Gun problem: it's not a political problem in France. The current legislation is clearly gun control.

b) Gay marriage: Chirac was not very favorable to "PACS" (civil unions for all people) but today the right government (his government) is improving this pacs... But he stays against the gay marriage, as Lionel Jospin who was Prime minister during the adoption of the "PACS".

c) Chirac was Prime minister when the legislation ("loi Veil")was adopted. But he was personally against it. And I think that he's still against it but you can be against it without to want delete the abortion right.

d) Religion: Chirac is clearly a defender of the french concept of laicity. But he goes to church every week... (as only 10% of French people...)

-French prism:

a) economy: When he was Prime minister in 1986 for the second time, he privatized and liberalized lots of public compagnies. At that time, his model was Tatcher and Reagan. He wanted less taxes, more flexibility,... Today, I think that it's the same... But to be honest, socialist governments liberalized too...

b) In favor of The European Constitution and the entry of the Turkey in the EU.

c) Immigration: Against the illegal immigration.

d) social: Concept of "la fracture sociale" (social "division") developed in 1995 to win the presidential election. But in the fact, he doesn't care about inequalities between rich, middle, popular, and poor people.

e) values: Conservative values but he is able to move with his time...

Make you an opinion...

[J. J.]

Certainly, from the French outlook Chirac is conservative.  He is a nationalist who prefers for France to pursue an independent policy.  That often means doing something opposed to the US.

We can look at Mitterand, a Socialist, who arguably had a more pro-US policy.  He favored a more supportive policy.

[Gustaf]

He's a French politician, which means he certainly isn't an economic conservative and doesn't care much for social issues. I vote no.

[Storebought]

Will your idiotic non-sense end? You've pretty much destroyed an entire thread.

No kidding! it is happening a lot, at least in this International section. Just take a look at what happened in the thread I started the other day: Best African Rulers

Yes, that is a truely messed up thread. And Richieus got away with talking about his sexuality instead of responding on the rebufs on his views on Apartheid rulers ;-)

Even I think that was a huge cop-out.

But even Afrikaner nationalists can't defend the indefensible, which was amply represented by the SA Nationalist Party, particularly Malan and Verwoerd

[Gustaf]

Julien, first off a majority of the French people supported the Vichy government, at least initially.

Secondly, you declared war on Germany. If that got you into trouble it's mostly your own fault. France is, more than any other European country, responsible for breeding revanschism in Germany through the Versailles treaty and then lacking the will to uphold pressure on the dictatorships on Europe.

[CARLHAYDEN]

Emphatically NO!!!

A conservative is a person who has respect for the basic principles of civilization and of inalienable rights.

Chirac has NO respect for civilization and despises inalienable rights (he favors wrongs).

Yes, Chirac is anti-American because America is buildt on those basic principles.

Chirac is simply slime.

[Jens]

Emphatically NO!!!

A conservative is a person who has respect for the basic principles of civilization and of inalienable rights.

Chirac has NO respect for civilization and despises inalienable rights (he favors wrongs).

Yes, Chirac is anti-American because America is buildt on those basic principles.

Chirac is simply slime.

Now, that was a wellbalanced argument and so discrete......

[Umengus]

Julien, first off a majority of the French people supported the Vichy government, at least initially.

a proof of that? no vote to support Vichy, no vote to support nazism,... France was just an occupied country.

[angus]

On second thought, I'd say it's a matter of one's perspective, as Umengus pointed out.  I still say yes.  one needs to remember to judge him while wearing french goggles, not german ones, or california ones, or swedish ones.

[The Duke]

Chirac is in fact a conservative, but he also abides by the traditional French foreign policy of blaming French national failure on America and their McDonalds, which doesn't even use fresh cheese (or as they say in France, "Fresh fromage")!  He is the failed leader of a failed nation, he can have is double digit unemployment, collapsing pension system, and "granduer", I'm perfectly happy with my growing GDP and a version of football that barely involves my feet.  Sixty years ago, we saved the world while the French practiced speaking German, today we save it while they practice speaking Arabic.

It is all a matter of perspective John Ford.  From the perspective of the lower 90% of the population, France is a far more successful nation than the US.  Quality of life is far better there for all but the very rich.  Why do you think that the working poor of America, permanently trapped in $7 an hour jobs with no social safety net to fall back on would care about whether GDP grew by 2% or 4% in a given year?  They see almost none of that $. 

Its better to have a low wage job than no job.  The vast majoirty of Americans make more than $7 a hour anyway.