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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2012, 11:37:28 AM »

Yeah... when did Star Trek become a generic sci-fi action thing?

With Voyager and DS9.

Hey now, DS9 was TV gold. And Voyager was good for at least the first season.
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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2012, 01:12:50 PM »

Yeah... when did Star Trek become a generic sci-fi action thing?

With Voyager and DS9.

Hey now, DS9 was TV gold. And Voyager was good for at least the first season.

I've always considered both DS9 and Voyager to be pretty awful, tbh.  TOS was excellent (it had its bad episodes, but overall it was great show) and what made it great was its masterful use of science-fiction as a vehicle for social commentary, philosophical questions, etc. TNG definitely had its moments and I liked it, but it doesn't hold a candle to the TOS.  Also, it shifted between deeper themes and generic science-fiction.  After TNG went off the air, Star Trek died, imo.  It basically became generic sci-fi unworthy of a noble name.  The deeper themes vanished completely.  Even the 2009 film was entertaining, but that isn't "my" Star Trek anymore.  I regard it as an entertaining, reasonably well-made sci-fi film, but also one without of any of the deeper themes that made TOS or even TNG good (and even TNG wasn't that amazing).  On the plus side though, there was no Wesley Crusher Tongue 
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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2012, 07:20:40 PM »

I really liked the 2009 movie and everything, but the trailer doesn't leave me very excited. That trailer is barely recognizable as Star Trek.

And yeah, the title is super dumb, and the reason that it's super dumb is also super dumb.

The rule of thumb for Star Trek movies is that every other one is a stinker, so don't expect too much.

By the way, instead of Gary Mitchell, maybe the villain will be Gary Seven.
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2012, 07:49:45 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02LgdXVkXgM
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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2012, 09:49:50 PM »

The 2009 film was the 9th best* of the 11 movies, and an unnecessary slap in the face to the long-time fans.  It could have been just as good without destroying all the continuity.

*- It was still decent nonetheless.
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« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2012, 11:45:30 PM »

The 2009 film was the 9th best* of the 11 movies, and an unnecessary slap in the face to the long-time fans.  It could have been just as good without destroying all the continuity.

*- It was still decent nonetheless.

     That was my thought as well. It's an alright movie, but after watching Star Trek for so long, that movie was sort of a disappointment.
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« Reply #31 on: December 08, 2012, 07:17:07 AM »

what made it great was its masterful use of science-fiction as a vehicle for social commentary, philosophical questions, etc. ...  Also, it shifted between deeper themes and generic science-fiction.

You just described here exactly why DS9 is my favorite Trek. Tongue
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« Reply #32 on: December 08, 2012, 07:19:40 AM »

The 2009 film was the 9th best* of the 11 movies, and an unnecessary slap in the face to the long-time fans.  It could have been just as good without destroying all the continuity.

*- It was still decent nonetheless.

9th best? So what were the only two that you thought were worse?
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« Reply #33 on: December 08, 2012, 09:07:31 AM »

I thought the 2009 movie was just okay (what I saw of it). Will almost surely skip Into Darkness.

After The Next generation I more or less tapped out of it. And I actually remember when that show legitimately challenged Monday Night Football in the classic days of Michaels, Gifford, and Dierdorf on ABC. I think between DS9 and Voyager I've seen six episodes. Just doesn't do it for me. Gene died in '91, I think, and the people running The Next Generation more or less finished it with his vision, but the other spin-offs were clearly meant to take it in the direction of general sci-fi action, because I think it dawned on them how much money the Star Wars franchise had mad with only three movies.

That said, I always liked the 1960s Trek. The sets, the characters, Kirk talking his way or reasoning his way out of every situation, it's really retro now. Special effects would be like a sparkler or something. It's missed!
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« Reply #34 on: December 08, 2012, 09:27:17 AM »

Calling DS9 generic sci-fi action is selling it criminally short. Hell, calling Voyager or Enterprise that is even unfair. TNG was lightweight and too one-note for my taste.
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« Reply #35 on: December 08, 2012, 09:54:03 AM »

I've read really glowing reviews of DS9 (multi-dimensional, more philosophical), and I've read really awful reviews (Vietnam in space with too much emoting, then several characters go off on a spirit quest or something - meh). What little I've seen of it, I can say that the acting is really good, but it's just not my thing. I liked the space amoebas and Kirk fighting a walking alligator on the planet with raw chemicals strewn about before Kirk figures out how to make a cannon. That was cool.
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« Reply #36 on: December 08, 2012, 10:52:05 AM »

By modern standards, the original Star Trek is a fairly lightweight piece of drama, but for its time it was a fairly cerebral television show. (At least during the first two seasons it was. The less said about the third, the better.)
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« Reply #37 on: December 08, 2012, 06:14:13 PM »

By modern standards, the original Star Trek is a fairly lightweight piece of drama, but for its time it was a fairly cerebral television show. (At least during the first two seasons it was. The less said about the third, the better.)

You can just pretend it doesn't exist like I do with Nemesis!
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« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2012, 10:15:25 PM »

Lol at some nerds hating this because its a new alternate timeline.
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« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2012, 10:49:41 PM »

Lol at some nerds hating this because its a new alternate timeline.

To be fair, the thing I hate most about Star Trek is its overuse of time travel, and generally badly written time travel at that.  "The City on the Edge of Forever" being an exception but that is because unlike most of the drek that is Star Trek time travel, Kirk had to make an actual sacrifice to set things right again.  Most of the time, Star Trek has used time travel to explore an story in which things go badly for out heroes, but then everything gets reset so that not only no harm is done, but sometimes some good is done.
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« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2012, 10:51:20 PM »

By modern standards, the original Star Trek is a fairly lightweight piece of drama, but for its time it was a fairly cerebral television show. (At least during the first two seasons it was. The less said about the third, the better.)

You can just pretend it doesn't exist like I do with Nemesis!

I try, believe me; but "Spock's Brain" continues to haunt me.
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« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2012, 12:34:30 AM »

"Spock's Brain" continues to haunt me.

"Brain and brain, what is brain?"
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« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2012, 12:32:44 PM »

The 2009 film was the 9th best* of the 11 movies, and an unnecessary slap in the face to the long-time fans.  It could have been just as good without destroying all the continuity.

*- It was still decent nonetheless.

9th best? So what were the only two that you thought were worse?

The Motion Picture (absolutely awful) and Insurrection.  I might actually put XI in a 3-way tie for 7th with Nemesis and Generations, come to think of it.
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« Reply #43 on: December 11, 2012, 12:12:10 AM »


Kirk: It was taken out; it can be put back in.
McCoy: But I don't know how!
Kirk: The thief that took it has the knowledge. I'll FORCE it out of her!

Dirty humor abounds itself throughout TOS! Grin
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« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2013, 01:03:22 PM »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJ1qOs7jkIQ

Will be in cinemas in ca. 1 month.
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« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2013, 01:07:12 PM »

Meh.  Destroying all that continuity was criminal.  I probably won't even go see this.

I hope that when Star Trek comes back into TV at some point, they ignore these movies and stick to the established universe.
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« Reply #46 on: April 20, 2013, 01:12:08 PM »

Oh, I think I unmistakably saw Elizabeth Dehner, so I think we can confirm that the villain is Gary Mitchell.  (Or was that already confirmed?)
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« Reply #47 on: April 20, 2013, 01:13:16 PM »

Meh.  Destroying all that continuity was criminal.  I probably won't even go see this.

I hope that when Star Trek comes back into TV at some point, they ignore these movies and stick to the established universe.

Yeah, I agree that TOS, TNG, DS9 were the best (Voyager and Enterprise had some good episodes), but since they are not bringing it back on TV for a veerrrry long time and this new alternative timeline Skyfall-ish looking movie is all we got, it's probably better to watch this instead of nothing at all ... Tongue
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« Reply #48 on: April 20, 2013, 01:17:47 PM »
« Edited: April 23, 2013, 01:46:44 PM by Eraserhead »

The villain is named John Harrison. He seems to be an original character (unless that is a bogus identity... which seems very possible).

I'm looking forward to the movie. The trailers for it have just become overkill at this point.
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« Reply #49 on: April 20, 2013, 01:28:38 PM »
« Edited: April 20, 2013, 01:30:41 PM by Harry »

I highly doubt this woman is anyone other than Elizabeth Dehner:




If I'm wrong, I won't admit it.  I'll just rant about how much I don't like the movie.
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