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Question: Will Iceland and Norway ever join the EU?
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« Reply #750 on: October 09, 2015, 06:47:31 AM »

Wasn't there a dissident PS MP last parliament who joined a tiny party called "Change" or something? Is that party moribund?
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« Reply #751 on: October 09, 2015, 07:02:19 AM »
« Edited: October 09, 2015, 07:04:20 AM by Helsinkian »

Wasn't there a dissident PS MP last parliament who joined a tiny party called "Change" or something? Is that party moribund?

Yes, James Hirvisaari was expelled from the party in 2013 after he invited a neo-nazi acquaintance of him to the parliament and photographed said person performing the Hitler salute inside the parliament. He then joined Change 2011 (founded with the 2011 election in mind, they haven't changed their name), a micro party with two issues: restricting immigration and advocating direct democracy with binding referendums.

When the party failed to get a single MP elected in 2015, they were removed from the party register (this happens automatically when a party fails to get anyone elected to the parliament in two consecutive elections). They are now gathering the 5,000 signatures needed to regain the status of a registered party. Hirvisaari is not the only former PS-member in Change 2011, but I still don't think it'll amount to anything meaningful.
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« Reply #752 on: October 09, 2015, 08:56:51 AM »

I also agree as far as the Progress Party goes, they are a different thing compared to SD. But what is PS except stricter immigration, anti-EU, and anti mandatory Swedish in Finnish schools? Besides the mandatory Swedish thing, those are the exact same pillars as SD stands on. I doubt that there is anyone who really votes for Soini except for those issues. And I'm aware that PS casts itself as the defenders of the welfare state and the working man and what not., but so does SD. That's (as you noted) hardly the reason their voters vote for them.

There are actually plenty of people who voted for PS because of welfare issues and rural issues. Take for example, the party's strongest municipality, Kihniö, where the party got 53 percent in 2011 and 48 percent in 2015. Almost all of that is support for a former Rural Party (Finns Party's predecessor) politician Lea Mäkipää who was elected Finns Party MP in 2011 and who hardly even speaks about immigration but rather about welfare issues and services in the rural ares. Furthermore, in the Kihniö council the local Finns Party group actually supported establishing a refugee accomodation centre in the municipality (even if they qualified it by saying that they wanted to choose what kind of refugees are coming).

If it were rural issues they might as well vote for the Centre Party, and if it were welfare there are two left-wing parties. The fact that individual politicians have shifted for one or another reason doesn't really prove that PS is different from SD. There was a prolific local Moderate politician who became an MP for SD because he felt SD had better Defense policy and didn't like the Moderates cuts to the military. A parliamentary candidate for the Christian Democrats switched because she felt SD was more anti-abortion. That doesn't mean that more than a handful people actually cast their votes for SD because the military, or that many people did so because of their view on abortion. Likewise the people who voted for PS because the Social Democrats or the Left Alliance are to Green must be neglectful at best.

There are people that vote for SD for all kinds of strange reasons, but 90% of those who do, have immigration and the EU as their reason. The same I'm certain is true for PS.
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« Reply #753 on: October 09, 2015, 09:04:43 AM »
« Edited: October 09, 2015, 09:06:48 AM by DavidB. »

There are people that vote for SD for all kinds of strange reasons, but 90% of those who do, have immigration and the EU as their reason. The same I'm certain is true for PS.
I doubt that this is true for PS. I have the impression that PS, as Helsinkian stated, is able to attract more voters on economic issues than SD. That's logical. It needs to do so in order to win many votes, because in Finland immigration has not been nearly as salient an issue as in Sweden (until recently). "Mass immigration" wasn't an actual thing in Finland until this year - of course it was part of PS' rhetoric, but the effects of third-world immigration used to be much less relevant to Finnish voters and to Finland than to Swedish voters and to Sweden because of the enormous difference in numbers.

The EU, on the other hand, seemed more salient in Finland than in Sweden: I think PS attracts more voters on the basis of their EU-related views than SD does. Again, this is logical, because Sweden isn't in the eurozone.
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« Reply #754 on: October 09, 2015, 11:45:17 AM »

If it were rural issues they might as well vote for the Centre Party, and if it were welfare there are two left-wing parties.

Using this logic we might also presume that all religious Christians vote for the Christian Democrats. But that is not the case. In fact, the Conservative Laestadians (the most fundamentalist Lutheran revival movement; doctrine includes, for example, banning birth control and television watching as sinful) overwhelmingly vote for the Centre Party.
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« Reply #755 on: October 09, 2015, 12:33:44 PM »

Using this logic we might also presume that all religious Christians vote for the Christian Democrats. But that is not the case. In fact, the Conservative Laestadians (the most fundamentalist Lutheran revival movement; doctrine includes, for example, banning birth control and television watching as sinful) overwhelmingly vote for the Centre Party.

Now you're obviously just willfully misinterpreting what I actually said. Where exactly is the Centre's rural policies different than PS? What difference is there where someone who cares deeply about rural issues would choose to to vote for PS over KESK based ob their rural policies. I'm not saying I find it weird that rural people vote for PS, I'm saying they're probably not doing it for their policies on rural affairs. That's obviously not the same as all people of the same faith voting for the same party, as a common faith doesn't mean people have the same political opinions.

The idea that PS is somehow a more well-rounded party than SD is absurd. SD also has other policies than their immigration policy, but that isn't the reason people vote for them, and neither is PS rural policy the reason people choose to vote for them.



 
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« Reply #756 on: October 10, 2015, 04:01:09 AM »


I could answer you, it's some good point you bring up, but honestly DavidB brought most of the points up. Through there's one thing I will say again SD is not Progress Party or the True Finns, they're quite different from SD, which have more in common with the Danish Progress Party than either.

I don't entirely disagree with David either. Obviously I don't say that SD would disappear forever. Most parties have an ability to regain support after a bad period in government and a spectacular election loss. Though it would limit the problem for some time. Tongue

I also agree as far as the Progress Party goes, they are a different thing compared to SD. But what is PS except stricter immigration, anti-EU, and anti mandatory Swedish in Finnish schools? Besides the mandatory Swedish thing, those are the exact same pillars as SD stands on. I doubt that there is anyone who really votes for Soini except for those issues. And I'm aware that PS casts itself as the defenders of the welfare state and the working man and what not., but so does SD. That's (as you noted) hardly the reason their voters vote for them.

While both are populist parties, there's a quite distinct difference. SD is a national-conservative party focusing on a single issue in a national state, while the True Finns is a nationalist party with a wide policy platform in a multi ethnic (or bi-national) state (which they wish to remake into a national state).
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« Reply #757 on: October 10, 2015, 11:53:15 AM »

The idea that PS is somehow a more well-rounded party than SD is absurd. SD also has other policies than their immigration policy, but that isn't the reason people vote for them, and neither is PS rural policy the reason people choose to vote for them.
Why does that seem so strange to you?
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« Reply #758 on: October 10, 2015, 12:59:30 PM »

We could also note the fact that while Timo Soini himself has wanted to maintain good relations with the Danish People's Party (they are in the same group in the European Parliament and in the Nordic Council, and DF representatives have spoken at PS Party congress), he has not been especially sympathetic toward the Sweden Democrats. This article is from April 2014, prior to the European Parliament election (translation by me):

"Co-operation with Sweden's eurosceptic Sweden Democrats party in the European Parliament does not suit Soini. The Finns Party chairman says that the parties' ideologies and objectives do not match. Staying in the same group with the Danish People's Party, on the other hand, is important in the future as well."
http://www.kaleva.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/soinille-ei-sovi-yhteistyo-ruotsidemokraattien-kanssa/661440/

There are, of course, other Finns Party politicians who are more sympathetic toward SD.
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« Reply #759 on: October 10, 2015, 01:08:03 PM »

Well, PS' lukewarm relation with SD obviously seems influenced by PS' position on issues regarding the Swedish-speaking minority in Finland.
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« Reply #760 on: October 10, 2015, 01:16:35 PM »
« Edited: October 10, 2015, 01:23:32 PM by Helsinkian »

Well, PS' lukewarm relation with SD obviously seems influenced by PS' position on issues regarding the Swedish-speaking minority in Finland.

I wouldn't say it's related to that. Soini himself is more moderate on the issue than some of the others in the party (he only wants to remove mandatory Swedish teaching in Finnish speaking schools, whereas some other PS politicians want to remove Swedish as an official language alltogether).

His aversion to SD has more to do with the fact that he has wanted to shake off the image of PS as a radical party and he knew that if PS and SD were co-operating, say, in the European Parliament, Finnish tabloids would use SD's radical image to attack PS.
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« Reply #761 on: October 11, 2015, 12:52:51 PM »
« Edited: October 12, 2015, 04:06:01 AM by politicus »

On the topic of whether WeCons has a chance Kasper Elbjørn, author and co-founder of the Libertarian think tank Cepos and himself a prominent member of the Conservatives, says the National Conservative "Whites" are becoming more assertive in the party and dominate the Conservative youth org KU, at least among active members.

("White" is this context means anti-Red with a reference to the Finnish civil war, "the Reds" being the moderate Frederiksberg or Christmas-Møller Conservatives, or Red Tories to use an English term for similar positions)

"White wing is especially strongly represented among the young Conservatives. There is a big part, which are extremely active in the youth organization, but who aren't even members of the parent party. Young Conservatives are mostly nationalist opponents of the EU, who are tired of the parent party's swing to the left".

Elbjørn gives an example of the prevailing nationalism among Conservative adolescents:

"There is, for example, many who can not understand why we per definition cooperate with the US against Putin when they identify with Putin's nationalism. They acknowledge and understand Putin's argument for annexing the Crimea, although of course, they are (at the same time) critical of breaking international law."

So one aspect of this is that WeCons might take over a big part of the Conservative youth wing - perhaps even a majority. This will in itself provide some organizational strength and the "Whites" are a lot more active than the moderates, so also a pool of motivated volunteers for campagns etc.

Among the three founders former LA parliamentary candidate Svend Pedersen is out, but I think that might be an advantage given that the "National Liberals" he represents include too many hardcore MRA-types and this would likely turn away more potential voters than they could gain on it - and not fit well with having a female leader.

(regarding the name I guess the Putin sympathy could put the White Russians from the Russian civil war in play as well.. but not their intention)

EDIT: Besides Reds and Whites KU also has a Libertarian/anarcho-capitalist Black wing (which is strong in Copenhagen and Lars Seier-Christensen used to belong to back in the days). Danish youth politicians on the right often ironically style themselves as "blacks" if they want to destroy the welfare state, the Liberal youths right wing do too.
These types aren't really Conservatives, but defend their "Conservatism" by saying a strong civil society can only develop if the evil state withdraws it claws. So "White wing" is both defined against Reds ("leftists") and Blacks ("Libertarians").
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« Reply #762 on: October 11, 2015, 05:42:32 PM »

Seven years after Kaupþing, Landsbanki and Glitnir crashed Iceland on Friday repaid their last emergency loan to the IMF (332 mio. dollar), which wasn't due until 31 October 2016, so they save some interests. This officially ends the crisis program and the last remnants of IMF oversight of Icelandic economic policies.
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« Reply #763 on: October 12, 2015, 09:36:33 AM »
« Edited: October 12, 2015, 09:56:52 AM by politicus »

Icelandic Minister of Education and Culture Illugi Gunnarsson (IP) is increasingly in trouble. After having denied any live interviews for six months and demanding other journalists could not write about his personal finances if they were to interview him he has now been forced to speak about an alleged corruption affair due to questioning in the Althing by the Pirates and Left Greens.

After the 20008 crash Gunnarrsson had to take a break from politics after a Glitnir owned investment fund he worked for was investigated for fraud. During his absence he worked as a consultant for Orka Energy, an Icelandic company working with geothermic energy in Asia, based in Singapore, but returned to politics in 2013 and entered the cabinet.

Orka Energy is owned by Vietnam based Icelandic businessman Haukur Harðarson, and was founded on the remnants of Reykjavík Energy Invest, a failed overseas investment project set up by municipal energy company Orkuveita Reykjavíkurs. Harðarson bought Orka Energy for peanuts due to his contacts in IP and recently renamed it Arctic Green Energy.

In March Illugi Gunnarsson went to China to promote Icelandic trade relations (given that trade matters aren't exactly a natural part of the Ministry of Educations resort that was in itself a bit dubious), and reps for two companies accompanied him: food industry giant (by Icelandic standards) Marel and tiny Orka Energy with no production or offices on Iceland. Gunnarsson helped secure a number of contracts with state owned Chinese companies. Among them state owned Sinopec, which is now their main partner. He had done a similar trip in 2013 and on one other occasion.

He has subsequently denied any conflicts of interests or special treatment, but he basically went bankrupt in 2008, and sold his condo in Reykjavík till OG Capital owned by Haukur Harðarson, which he now hires to a sub market value rent and they took over his substantial debt when they bought it, which was about 140% of its value. He has also subsequently received a 3 mio. Icelandic kronur personal loan and various gifts such as high priced salmon fishing trips to highland rivers in high season (among the most costly fishing anywhere in the world). So seems pretty obvious he is lying. Also “failed” to declare his interests in the company to the Althing, which he is legally obliged to do.

Gunnarsson is a close ally of IP leader Bjarni Benediktsson, who will fight to keep him, and this isn't the biggest scandal ever, but it does remind voters of the old pre-crash IP and how Orka Energy came to exist in the first place.
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« Reply #764 on: October 12, 2015, 10:30:33 AM »

New poll shows Danish Muslims are becoming more religious - and that the younger generation is more religious than their parents (who often have immigrants background).


Koran based rules should be followed to the full extent by Muslims:

2006: 62%
2015: 77%


Pray more than 5 times a day:

2006: 37%
2015: 50%


Women should be veiled when appearing in the public space:

2006: 28%
2015: 42%
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« Reply #765 on: October 12, 2015, 10:33:57 AM »

Does "veil" imply the niqab or just the standard hijab?
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« Reply #766 on: October 12, 2015, 10:38:03 AM »

Does "veil" imply the niqab or just the standard hijab?

It's everything from hijab to burqa. Through the Daniush word for veil indicates hijab.
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« Reply #767 on: October 12, 2015, 10:46:24 AM »
« Edited: October 12, 2015, 11:52:04 AM by politicus »

Conservative writer Mads Holger has created this Conservative tipping coupon of the various right wing groups:



The categories are:

National
Economically responsible
Educated and culturally responsible
Organizationally competent
Intellectual
Homogenous
Charismatic
Christian
Socially responsible
Appeals to young people
Is currently on the advance
Has a Conservative approach to the EU
Appeals to the general population

Fairly accurate. The Conservative Peoples Party finish last. "Den konservative opinion" refers to Conservative pundits, bloggers, talking heads and intellectuals taken as one group.
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« Reply #768 on: October 12, 2015, 11:29:25 AM »
« Edited: October 12, 2015, 11:43:08 AM by Samurai Jew »

I think "economically responsible" should be the second one.

Very interesting that "Christian" is deemed relevant. Didn't expect that.

Also quite interesting that DF is considered Christian, whereas the Dutch PVV has quite similar positions on social (and national) issues and is deemed a very secular party, which is a common criticism from Christian parties - who are, of course, also afraid to lose voters, so it's up for debate how intellectually honest this criticism is, but still, the difference in common perception is remarkable. Has everything to do with the difference between Danish and Dutch history, cleavages, and the parliamentary presence of "real" Christian parties in the Netherlands, of course.

Anyhow, this chart quite adequately shows why I still support DF even if their economic policies are not exactly what I'd wish for (to put it mildly).
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« Reply #769 on: October 12, 2015, 12:12:19 PM »

Very interesting that "Christian" is deemed relevant. Didn't expect that.

Also quite interesting that DF is considered Christian, whereas the Dutch PVV has quite similar positions on social (and national) issues and is deemed a very secular party, which is a common criticism from Christian parties - who are, of course, also afraid to lose voters, so it's up for debate how intellectually honest this criticism is, but still, the difference in common perception is remarkable. Has everything to do with the difference between Danish and Dutch history, cleavages, and the parliamentary presence of "real" Christian parties in the Netherlands, of course.

Anyhow, this chart quite adequately shows why I still support DF even if their economic policies are not exactly what I'd wish for (to put it mildly).

Christian takes on a different meaning in a country with an established church. It basically means supporters of keeping an established church, keep Knowledge of Christianity as a school subject (and making it mandatory) and being culturally Christian in some vague general sense. DPP voters are actually the least church-going apart from Red Greens, but they use the church to signal Danish ethnicity. It is part of "the ethnic package" so to speak. And they have a small, but influential segment of orthodox Lutherans from the Tidehverv movement + some from fundi free churches. People who would be KD in Sweden, but are either too right wing for the Danish KD, or just consider it a lost cause.

"God, King and country" is the traditional catch-phrase to sum up Conservatism in Denmark, which influences this. Again, part of the package of being a so-called "arch-Conservative" is some reverence for (Lutheran) Christianity whether you are personally agnostic, Jewish etc.

Generally agnostics and religious minorities who acknowledge cultural Christianity as a key component of Danish culture are considered fine, atheists are not. But its all very vaguely defined, or rather not defined at all.

The "blacks" in KU are anti-Church, but then again they are hardly Conservatives at all. And generally do not continue as members of the parent party.
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« Reply #770 on: October 12, 2015, 12:26:32 PM »

I think "economically responsible" should be the second one.

Very interesting that "Christian" is deemed relevant. Didn't expect that.

Also quite interesting that DF is considered Christian, whereas the Dutch PVV has quite similar positions on social (and national) issues and is deemed a very secular party, which is a common criticism from Christian parties - who are, of course, also afraid to lose voters, so it's up for debate how intellectually honest this criticism is, but still, the difference in common perception is remarkable. Has everything to do with the difference between Danish and Dutch history, cleavages, and the parliamentary presence of "real" Christian parties in the Netherlands, of course.

Anyhow, this chart quite adequately shows why I still support DF even if their economic policies are not exactly what I'd wish for (to put it mildly).

Christianity mean a quite different thing in Denmark than in Netherlands. Alone the name difference between the "national" old (in case of Netherlands) churches are telling "Nederlandse Hervormde Kerk" versus "Folkekirken (The People's Church). Netherlands are a place of religious heterogenity, while Denmark is a place of religious homogenity, to the extent that a significant number of Danes who are member of the Church aren't even aware that there's other Protestant churches outside weird sects. It's also why Danes accept Jews so well, because in the eyes of the average Dane there's not really any big difference between Jews and the few ethnic Danes who are member of other Christian Churches like Catholics, Baptist, Mormons and Calvinists, and all of these are seen as less suspect than the Jehovah Witnesses, who the Danish archetype for weird cult ethnic Danes became member off some years ago (but it has been in descline the last twenty years, so it's like the Mormons and Baptists becoming normalised).

But this mean that even for conservative atheists and agnostics, there's a connection between Danish-ness and Christianity (read the Evangelian Lutheran Church), and there's respect for Lutheran theological knowledge far into the left, with priest historical and even today being well represented in Danish debate and politics, from the Black (as in reactionary) priests in DPP to Margrete Auken in SPP.

EDIT sorry Politicus I started on my post before you posted.
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« Reply #771 on: October 12, 2015, 12:36:49 PM »

Thanks for elaborating on this, politicus and ingemann Smiley Very interesting.

Christianity mean a quite different thing in Denmark than in Netherlands. Alone the name difference between the "national" old (in case of Netherlands) churches are telling "Nederlandse Hervormde Kerk" versus "Folkekirken (The People's Church). Netherlands are a place of religious heterogenity, while Denmark is a place of religious homogenity,

Of course, that's what I meant when I talked about the difference between Danish and Dutch history in terms of religion and cleavages. In the Netherlands, religion (more specifically the divide between Protestants and Catholics) only undermined the formation of a national identity. However, it was harder for me to understand the specific way in which Danish Christianity served to reinforce the country's national identity, which I now understand better.

But this mean that even for conservative atheists and agnostics, there's a connection between Danish-ness and Christianity (read the Evangelian Lutheran Church), and there's respect for Lutheran theological knowledge far into the left, with priest historical and even today being well represented in Danish debate and politics, from the Black (as in reactionary) priests in DPP to Margrete Auken in SPP.
That's interesting. How much diversity is there within the Danish Lutheran church in terms of progressivism/conservatism? Are many Danes "culturally Christian" yet not practicing?
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« Reply #772 on: October 12, 2015, 12:55:46 PM »

Thanks for elaborating on this, politicus and ingemann Smiley Very interesting.

Of course, that's what I meant when I talked about the difference between Danish and Dutch history in terms of religion and cleavages. In the Netherlands, religion (more specifically the divide between Protestants and Catholics) only undermined the formation of a national identity. However, it was harder for me to understand the specific way in which Danish Christianity served to reinforce the country's national identity, which I now understand better.

That's interesting. How much diversity is there within the Danish Lutheran church in terms of progressivism/conservatism? Are many Danes "culturally Christian" yet not practicing?

One of my social liberal "non-member of the Church" atheist, describe himself as Lutheran atheist. There's a general agreement among people who recognise that national identities exist, that Danish identity are shaped by the Lutheran and pre-Reformation Catholic Church, but also that the Folkekirke is shaped by Danish national identity. It's not the connection between the Hebrews and the Jewish faith, but it's close, if Denmark had gone Calvinist around 1600 (which was a possibility) or Sweden had returned to Catholicism, Danish national identity and Danish Church (whether Lutheran or Calvinist) would likely have been the same. 
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« Reply #773 on: October 12, 2015, 03:10:05 PM »
« Edited: October 12, 2015, 03:11:43 PM by politicus »

How much diversity is there within the Danish Lutheran church in terms of progressivism/conservatism? Are many Danes "culturally Christian" yet not practicing?

1) It is overwhelmingly liberal given that the Grundtvigian tradition of "happy Christianity" is so strong, and secularization so thorough. There is a conservative wing in the church with the two pietistic laymen movements Inner Mission and Lutheran Mission plus so-called high church Ministers (traditionalists unrelated to the layman movements), but outside certain areas of Jutland the fundamentalists are weak/non-existent and even in their strongholds only 7-8% would be fundamentalist. Modern Denmark doesn't have much of a Bible Belt left.
Politically a large number of Ministers are on the left with SPP being the biggest "Minister party" and this also influence their theology to some extent. The church being feminized with a majority of ministers now being women changed the role of the minister from being an authority to a "social worker" to some extent and involvement in practical helping the needy stuff is popular, whereas Ministers focusing on theology, sermons etc. tends to be considered aloof. It all moves the church to the left in some sense.

2) Denmark has very low church attendance, but a lot more people praying regularly. Outside of Copenhagen most people remain church members and being a so-called "four wheel Christian" is common (that is someone who only comes in church at their christening, confirmation, wedding and burial), but those people generally have an attachment to cultural Christianity, sing hymns at Christmas, pray if they are in a crisis etc. and a lot of their ethical positions and worldview are influenced by Christianity. Grundtvig said "I am Christian because I am Danish" - and while it isn't so simple anymore most rural folks and provincials would still take it for granted that they are culturally Christian, even if they couldn't explain exactly what that meant. This is more so in Jutland than on the islands. Then there are of course a segment that is very offended by the entire idea of cultural Christianity and insists "only 10% of Danes are actually Christians" etc. using a narrow faith and knowledge based + active involvement definition. This would go for both a lot of leftists and "business Liberals" in LA or the Liberal right wing.

Copenhagen is more post-Christian, but even among Copenhageners a large part would recognize themselves as culturally Christian or "Lutheran atheists" like Ingemann's friend, plus a lot of Copenhageners are "immigrants" from the province.

Denmark has a complex mix of being highly secularized, very anti-"holier than thou" attitudes and fundamentalism, but having a strong attachment to an idea of a (national) Christian based culture among "common people" unaffected by academic cultural radicalism, the far left tradition or the extreme materialism/hedonism of many neo-liberals/urban right wingers. There is a definite shyness about religion and spirituality in Denmark, that makes it hard to measure and a lot of unspoken, taken for granted beliefs.
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« Reply #774 on: October 12, 2015, 04:11:30 PM »
« Edited: October 12, 2015, 04:19:25 PM by ingemann »

Politicus brings up a lot of good points, one thing with the bible belt. according to a article by KJristlig Dagblad (11 August 2011 http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/kirke-tro/indre-mission-v%C3%A6lger-de-kristne-v%C3%A6rdier-i-politik) 35% of the members of Inner Mission planned to vote Kristendemokraterne (24% was in doubt). In Ringkøbing-Skern they got 5% (one of their worst election in the distict) of the vote. I doubt really you find many non-Inner Mission in the area voting for the party. So a good guess is that between 10-15% of the population in Ringkøbing-Skern would identify as Inner Mission. A good guess for the entire country is that 2-2,5% of the population as a whole. Of course that's just the most well known ecclessial group, there's a lot of smaller free Lutheran churches outside the Folkekirke, but they're smaller group than Inner Mission as a whole.

Of course the most interesting is that the traditional conservative Inner Mission is not the part of the  Church which is connected to DPP. Instead it's Tidehverv, which is a anti-Inner Mission group, whose theology is radical opposition to both Grundtvigian and Inner Mission, and lay weight on a more personal and intellectual version of Christianity (they're deeply inspired by Kierkegaard).
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