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« on: March 11, 2012, 08:22:30 PM »

''The governor of Russia's second-largest city, St. Petersburg, has signed a new law against "homosexual propaganda" -- defying complaints that it discriminates against gays.

The regional law -- which applies only to St. Petersburg -- threatens fines for anyone found "making public actions among minors for the propaganda of homosexuality, lesbianism, bisexuality or transgenderism."


http://www.rferl.org/content/st_petersburg_homosexuality_law/24512104.html


Republicans, do you think we could learn something from Russia here? They ARE taking a states-rights approach, well, city's rights.
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« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2012, 08:48:26 PM »

I'm sure that pretty much all Republicans here find this a stupid policy that egregiously violates the First Amendment.  This is a bit of a slippery slope fallacy.
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« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2012, 10:13:27 PM »

the First Amendment does not apply to Russia.
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« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2012, 10:31:04 PM »

I'm sure that pretty much all Republicans here find this a stupid policy that egregiously violates the First Amendment.  This is a bit of a slippery slope fallacy.

Among other things. Thank you.
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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2012, 10:43:57 PM »

the First Amendment does not apply to Russia.

It does apply to places where Republicans might "learn something from Russia"...
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« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2012, 08:01:36 AM »

Yes, considering in the US leftists are trying to do the opposite.
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« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2012, 08:30:50 AM »

I thought St Petersburg was in Florida?
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« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2012, 09:20:56 AM »

the First Amendment does not apply to Russia.

It does apply to places where Republicans might "learn something from Russia"...

this would not preclude a constitutional amendment as a tactic, or fighting hard through the courts.
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2012, 02:36:02 PM »

I'm sure that pretty much all Republicans here find this a stupid policy that egregiously violates the First Amendment.  This is a bit of a slippery slope fallacy.
Not at all. We have a similar bill pending in my home state.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-02-16/tennessee-bill-homosexuality/53116470/1
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« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2012, 04:13:27 PM »

I'm sure that pretty much all Republicans here find this a stupid policy that egregiously violates the First Amendment.  This is a bit of a slippery slope fallacy.
Not at all. We have a similar bill pending in my home state.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-02-16/tennessee-bill-homosexuality/53116470/1

And the main sponsor is a Democrat. Ugh.

Nice they actually quoted a pastor for a voice against it, and his church even has a sort of evangelical sounding name (looks it up), ah it's a Disciples of Christ church, kind of makes sense (offshoot of some 19th century Great Awakening movement, today evolved into a standard liberal mainline denomination)
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« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2012, 04:38:58 PM »

Is that Don't Say Gay?
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« Reply #11 on: March 12, 2012, 04:54:02 PM »


Yep.

We're not too far from Russia after all. Just a touch more suavecito

It was wrong to single out Republicans in the title though. Democrats can obviously be just as anti-free-speech and anti-gay. Though again, suavecito
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« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2012, 10:16:03 PM »

I'm sure that pretty much all Republicans here find this a stupid policy that egregiously violates the First Amendment.  This is a bit of a slippery slope fallacy.
Not at all. We have a similar bill pending in my home state.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-02-16/tennessee-bill-homosexuality/53116470/1

And the main sponsor is a Democrat. Ugh.

At least he's honest that he wants to indoctrinate his kids. Tongue
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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2012, 12:01:08 PM »
« Edited: March 13, 2012, 12:02:47 PM by Jacobtm »


At least he's honest that he wants to indoctrinate his kids. Tongue

I mean, if we're being honest that's all school is. Kids don't know anything. You can't teach them everything. So what do you want them to know?

Do you want them to be taught that homosexuality is no big deal, or do you want them to be taught to treat homosexuality as a taboo subject?

I say the first, but that's just a reflection of my worldview that, well, homosexuality really is no big deal.

Of course, if you let your kid watch TV or use the internet, they will know about homosexuality far before High School. But I guess some people think their children should be lied to because dudes kissing is gross.
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2012, 01:23:14 PM »

I'm sure that pretty much all Republicans here find this a stupid policy that egregiously violates the First Amendment.  This is a bit of a slippery slope fallacy.
Not at all. We have a similar bill pending in my home state.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-02-16/tennessee-bill-homosexuality/53116470/1

The bill's stupid, and won't pass.  But there is a big difference between outlawing something in schools from teachers and outlawing it among the general public.
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« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2012, 01:41:28 PM »

I'm sure that pretty much all Republicans here find this a stupid policy that egregiously violates the First Amendment.  This is a bit of a slippery slope fallacy.
Not at all. We have a similar bill pending in my home state.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-02-16/tennessee-bill-homosexuality/53116470/1
The bill's stupid, and won't pass. 
It has already passed the state Senate. The House vote is a few weeks away. Would you like to make a $10,000 bet?
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« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2012, 08:45:23 PM »

there is a big difference between outlawing something in schools from teachers and outlawing it among the general public.

It's no less despicable, just on a smaller scale.

Would you find it OK to outlaw mention of the word God to students under the age of 14?

If we're talking about indoctrination, far more children are indoctrinated with Christianity than Homosexuality.
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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2012, 08:56:09 PM »

there is a big difference between outlawing something in schools from teachers and outlawing it among the general public.

It's no less despicable, just on a smaller scale.

Would you find it OK to outlaw mention of the word God to students under the age of 14?

If we're talking about indoctrination, far more children are indoctrinated with Christianity than Homosexuality.

I wasn't defending it... just saying that the two aren't the same.
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« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2012, 09:11:40 PM »

I'm sure that pretty much all Republicans here find this a stupid policy that egregiously violates the First Amendment.  This is a bit of a slippery slope fallacy.
Not at all. We have a similar bill pending in my home state.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-02-16/tennessee-bill-homosexuality/53116470/1

I hope Haslam vetoes it if the bill passes but I'm not holding my breath.
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« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2012, 11:35:15 PM »

I wasn't defending it... just saying that the two aren't the same.

Of course 2 different things are different, but it's the same principal at play: People think that talking about Homosexuality in any positive or accepting way is harmful to society, and should be punishable.

In Russia they go farther than in the Tennessee bill, but it's the same idea. Propagandize Homosexuality, and there are consequences.
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« Reply #20 on: March 17, 2012, 12:11:42 PM »

more liberal media used to advocate liberal propaganda

Oh, PLEASE explain......
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« Reply #21 on: March 17, 2012, 05:41:00 PM »

I'm sure that pretty much all Republicans here find this a stupid policy that egregiously violates the First Amendment.  This is a bit of a slippery slope fallacy.

It's questions like this that alienate voters. I have yet to hear a conservative this election cycle come out and personally oppose gay marriage. I'm in favor of letting states vote on it as the founding fathers would have been and then gays are free to live in gay marriage states if they want to.
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