Obama beats Romney 70-14 among Latino voters

[memphis]

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2012/03/08/fox-news-latino-poll-latino-voters-full-results/

Best part: He's leading among Hispanics who voted for McCain in 2008.

[Lief 🗽]

It's impossible for the Republicans to win a presidential election when the Democrat is winning 70% of Latinos. There just aren't enough white people willing to vote Republican.

[Sasquatch]

I remember in 2004 when the GOP were courting Latino voters and the thought was they were finally making some gains with this voting block. What a difference 8 years makes...

[memphis]

It's impossible for the Republicans to win a presidential election when the Democrat is winning 70% of Latinos. There just aren't enough white people willing to vote Republican.

Not impossible, of course. The GOP would need about as much of the white vote as Bush Sr got in 1988 to make the popular vote competitive. Which is unlikely. But the electorate remains much whiter than the overall population.

[ajb]

It's impossible for the Republicans to win a presidential election when the Democrat is winning 70% of Latinos. There just aren't enough white people willing to vote Republican.

Not impossible, of course. The GOP would need about as much of the white vote as Bush Sr got in 1988 to make the popular vote competitive. Which is unlikely. But the electorate remains much whiter than the overall population.

I've heard it argued that if the electorate of 2008 had looked like that of 1988 in terms of ethnic and religious composition, that McCain would have won by 5.9%, where Obama actually won by 7.7%. If that's the case, then if Hispanic support for Republicans has indeed halved since 2008, Romney/whoever would have to do significantly better among whites than Bush did in 1988.


http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do;jsessionid=413E58BB07020145C3A09063DD0D0719?diaryId=9842

[Stranger in a strange land]

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2012/03/08/fox-news-latino-poll-latino-voters-full-results/

Best part: He's leading among Hispanics who voted for McCain in 2008.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

[marvelrobbins]

Republicans have been scapegoaitng hispanics and gunning for racist white votes at the expense
of losing Hispanic vote.Many hispanics are Catholic,Prolife,and prodefense.Democrats have
won with hispanics on the Economy,Education,and Health Care.Bush got 40 percent of
the hispanic vote In 2000(and actully won Hispanics In Texas) and got 44 percent of Hispanics
in 2004(which likely won Bush New Mexico and Nevada and keep Colorado from being close)
Obama Is likely to set record for Hispanics In 2012.Even Mccain turned on his own Immigration
reform.Republicans largely voted against the first hispanic supereme court justice(again showing the hypcrote that Mccain really Is) and voting against the Dream act.Romney has moved so far to the right on Immigration that some Mccain Hispanic voters are now supporting Obama.

Obama got 44 percent of whit vote In 2008 and some polling suggests he could do around the same this year.With 70 percent of hispanic vote,93 percent of Blacks(as said by one poll) and majority of Asian with the same white voters he got last time the far right will have a heart attack
when Obama wins In November.

[Chaddyr23]

Obama es el mejor para la gente latina.

[King]

Well, Romney could still somehow wrestle an EV win using, but you can't win the popular vote with 70% of Hispanics against you and your EV roof is barely 270.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

In all fairness Obama already won 67% of Hispanics in the 2008 exit poll. Of course McCain won 31%, so Romney is lagging far behind there.

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

Truly an epic fail for the first major party Hispanic nominee.

[2952-0-0]

Quick, somebody upload hablar_espanyol.exe!

[minionofmidas]

Ouch'n. So what about Romney's primary strength out west? No Hispanics even showing up?

[Хahar 🤔]

It's sad that the opposition is so bad that Hispanics are forced to support an openly anti-Hispanic government so overwhelmingly.

[DrScholl]

Time for him to come and to say that he's learning to say things in Spanish and likes burritos and things

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Ouch'n. So what about Romney's primary strength out west? No Hispanics even showing up?

I would imagine at least some of the other two of the Three Ms of the Interior West*.


*Mormons, Mexicans, and Mountain-Men

[Adam Griffin]

I've wondered if the Romneys actually ever mixed (genetically speaking) with the local Mexican population before repatriating? I realize that the communities that were setup in Mexico were probably isolationist in nature, but when I look at him and his children, I do not see "full Anglos" as his family history indicates. It could just be a fluke. Obviously tan skin and jet black hair are not exclusive to just Latinos.

[pbrower2a]

In all fairness Obama already won 67% of Hispanics in the 2008 exit poll. Of course McCain won 31%, so Romney is lagging far behind there.

... and the Latino vote is becoming a larger part of the electorate.

It may be that Latino voters are less likely to follow the media of the Hard Right. Take a good look at the names of speakers on right-wing talk radio. You will find the usual WASP types (like Glenn Beck and the German-American "Rash Libel") and even some Jews (Michael Savage, Mark Levin) and token blacks. But no Hispanics!

It could be that Latino news media are behind Anglo media in going for in-your-face politics. (Such 'progress' has its obvious price!) It could also be that Fidel Castro is becoming less relevant to one group of Hispanics as Cuban-Americans increasingly assimilate. Maybe those media are more cautious and objective. There may be no room for an Andrew Breitbart in Latino media (Breitbart was a disgrace, but that is a different story). 

[King]

In all fairness Obama already won 67% of Hispanics in the 2008 exit poll. Of course McCain won 31%, so Romney is lagging far behind there.

Yes, Obama had 67% in 2008 in an 8 point victory.  Republicans have no path to the popular vote majority without 40% of Hispanics in today's electorate.

McCain's 32% = 46% national pv; Bush 2000's 35% = 49% national PV; Bush 2004's 44% = 51% national pv.  

The only thing saving the Republicans from becoming a permanent minority party is that they don't show up for Midterms (22% of the vote in TX2008 to 17% in TX2010); but Republicans are trying their hardest to ruin that by doubling down against Women as well.

[pbrower2a]

In all fairness Obama already won 67% of Hispanics in the 2008 exit poll. Of course McCain won 31%, so Romney is lagging far behind there.

Yes, Obama had 67% in 2008 in an 8 point victory.  Republicans have no path to the popular vote majority without 40% of Hispanics in today's electorate.

McCain's 32% = 46% national pv; Bush 2000's 35% = 49% national PV; Bush 2004's 44% = 51% national pv.  

The only thing saving the Republicans from becoming a permanent minority party is that they don't show up for Midterms (22% of the vote in TX2008 to 17% in TX2010); but Republicans are trying their hardest to ruin that by doubling down against Women as well.

That's simply amazing. What must Republicans do to cut into the Hispanic vote? Dubya tried with his "Ownership Society" that encouraged people to buy into owner-occupied housing with easy qualification for predatory loans. Then the loans started becoming trouble, and by 2008 we all found out the consequences of getting people to pay too much for housing while not looking at the terms of repayment. What worked in 2000, 2002, and 2004 began to falter in 2006 and blew up in the face of the GOP in 2008. Mexican-Americans bought heavily into that paradigm and got burned earliest and most severely because they are the people who buy into housing at lower levels of income than any other ethnic groups except perhaps  fellow Latinos. 

Republicans may have doubled down  on anti-immigrant sentiments (that may hurt a distant family member of some American citizens) and male chauvinism (which probably weakens with assimilation into American life)... and although the first will hurt chances with Hispanics the second will hit half the US electorate. Anti-intellectualism in the form of antipathy to learning will fail with any group that sees education as the only reliable means of avoiding permanent poverty.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

There is not a single anti-immigrant candidate left in the Republican primary. One could argue that Bachman was because I beleive she had dapple with the 14th amendment stuff. Pawlenty may have as well, but I can't remember that for sure and really don't give a damn since both are political non-factors.

The problem for the Republicans amongst Hispanics is two-fold. The first one is lack of aggressive outreach and the acknowledgement of just how important they are in the election. The second is the lack of a consistent and aggressive pushback against the notions established by the media and radical open borders groups like La Raza, that border security and interior enforcement measures are in some way racist and anti-immigrant. This second one is caused by the same thing causing number one. That is they haven't acknowledged their importance since Rove left the West Wing (is that where Bush stored him away? West, East, doesn't matter I guess for this discussion). Rove was right to seek their votes, but his method of using amnesty wasn't the only way.

Romney got 54% amongst Hispanics voting in the FL GOP primary, even while running on "Self-deporation". Newt's more lenient approach garnered 27% amongst that electorate. It is not immigration policy that is hurting Mitt amongst Hispanics. A part of his self-deportation plan is the very same "Exit Amnesty" that I beleive Bush was pushing prior to the 2004 elections. I know it is similar to what Pence was offering in 2006.  It is entirely a problem of campaign tactics, strategy, and operation.

Part of the problem is that Romney can't transition to a general election strategy. He needs an organized campaign to combat general perceptions that hurt him, as well as on specific issues (immigration, auto companies etc) and he can't do that when he still has to convince the rank and file not to vote for the Counter-Reformation on a daily basis.

[King]

Perception is more important than reality. The AZ situation turned off Hispanics and actually united us in an unexpected way. My New Mexican breathren really had no interest in Mexican immigrants as we are US Territorial descendants. The idea of checking for immigrants "on suspicion" put Hispano-Americams on the side of Mexicans.

Cuban Americans are also moving to the left ever so slightly.