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« on: March 02, 2012, 04:21:46 PM »

It's black and white. Use of contraception is immoral.
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« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2012, 04:30:43 PM »

Strongly Agree.
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2012, 04:38:43 PM »

Why the "sometimes" option? For people who think using contraception is immoral except in cases of rape and incest?
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2012, 04:55:29 PM »
« Edited: March 02, 2012, 05:01:23 PM by Jacobtm »

Why the "sometimes" option? For people who think using contraception is immoral except in cases of rape and incest?

Maybe some folks believe it's ok to use contraception with your lawfully wedded wife but in no other cases?

The poll will tell if anyone thinks that.
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2012, 06:14:29 PM »

Why the "sometimes" option? For people who think using contraception is immoral except in cases of rape and incest?

Maybe some folks believe it's ok to use contraception with your lawfully wedded wife but in no other cases?

The poll will tell if anyone thinks that.

There are two reasons to use contraception:
1. The one that gives it is name: to prevent pregnancy.
2. Some methods also serve as a method of STD prevention.

So I could see someone thinking it would be moral in the case of a married couple where only one spouse had an STD.

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2012, 06:17:38 PM »

Why the "sometimes" option? For people who think using contraception is immoral except in cases of rape and incest?

if your wife was under the impression that you were trying to conceive a child with her but you went out and got a vasectomy without telling her.  inverted, if the wife sneaks the pill while the husband gets the false impression that he's shooting blanks.

this may fall under dishonesty/lying rather than contraception use as a moral category.
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2012, 09:27:44 PM »


Really?  I honestly had no idea you were one of those! (how can you be with a -4 social score? or were you being sarcastic?)
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2012, 09:28:23 PM »

Consistently not using contraception is immoral. To do so resurrects Malthus.
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2012, 09:47:17 PM »

I imagine there is a huge overlap between this and the people who think masturbation is immoral.

Think of all those dead babies. They don't even exist yet and you're killing them!
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2012, 09:55:51 PM »
« Edited: March 06, 2012, 09:14:23 PM by angus »

Contraception prevents pregnancy.  In fact, that's its raison d'être.  (Forget all this nonsense about the prevention of infection diseases.  Obviously, some methods also have that unintended side-effect, but others do not, and in any case your use of the word "contraception" implies that you're looking for a discussion of contraception, not STD prevention.)  

are there not enough people already?

the problem is that people like to make the beast with two backs.  it feels good.  it's natural.  it's right.  it's human.  it's beyond human, in fact, since it predates humanity.  coitus existed long before the first hominid crawled down from the tree to stand upright.  or should I say erect?  people like shagging, and shagging to babies.  now, in the grand scheme of things, there's no problem yet, right?  shagging implies procreation.  fine.  but we have been making babies for a long time.  and our babies are fishing all the oceans out of fish, and clearcutting all the forests, and generally helping Entropy in her quest to scramble everything, making it harder to squeeze a drop of Enthalpy out for practical use, consuming so much lignin and turning it into carbon dioxide that we're even effecting the global climate.

morality concerns itself with studying the differences between right and wrong.  if you believe that it's wrong to put more people in the world, even if you have no job or no way of providing for the education and nurturing of the progeny, then you you are being very moral when you take steps to avoid putting more people out there.  

you could argue that spreading your legs is wrong, if you want.  of course, that's another argument entirely.  but if we're going to assume that you like spreading your legs--and I think it's a fair assumption that you do--and if we're going to further assume that you understand that the frequency with which you spread your legs increases the frequency with which  the soft, hairy, wet spot between your legs will attract those who enjoy the scent of whatever odors pervade, then it follows that unless you are ignorant of the fact that such attractions lead to overpopulation, you are acting morally when you take steps to avoid your womb's fruition.

On the other hand, if you believe that it's wrong to inhibit the geometric population growth, even though food supplies increase algebraically, then you can certainly conclude that contraception is immoral.  I just haven't seen you or anyone reasonably make that case.

There's also an argument that it's amoral.  That assumes that you really don't give a shit one way or the other, but since you made the poll, that would seem unlikely.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2012, 09:57:25 PM »

How can you use that word, angus?  Are you magic or something?
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2012, 10:04:51 PM »

How can you use that word, angus?  Are you magic or something?

I'm probably bored.  Don't worry, the mods will come along soon enough and I'll be sent to Dachau.  I'll see you and jmfcst there and can meet by the rockpile and trade stories till they shoot us.  

This guy's gotta be trolling, though.  Fair enough, I do that as well, from time to time.
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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2012, 11:21:20 PM »

It's smart.
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« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2012, 01:28:11 AM »

It is simply immoral.
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« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2012, 01:34:37 AM »

How can you use that word, angus?  Are you magic or something?
I'm probably bored.  Don't worry, the mods will come along soon enough and I'll be sent to Dachau.  I'll see you and jmfcst there and can meet by the rockpile and trade stories till they shoot us.
Be careful.  In my experience, making fun of opebo is more likely to get you infraction points than profanity.  He's a little sensitive.
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« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2012, 02:12:49 AM »

It controls the out-of-control breeding of humanity, which is fine for me.

The less humanity breeds, the better for the planet.
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« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2012, 06:11:48 AM »

Why the "sometimes" option? For people who think using contraception is immoral except in cases of rape and incest?

Maybe some folks believe it's ok to use contraception with your lawfully wedded wife but in no other cases?

The poll will tell if anyone thinks that.

Well, if you use that argument for sometimes, then most people would consider it immoral to use contraception during rape or something like that.

But the act of contraception use in and of itself is, I believe, not immoral.
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« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2012, 06:44:13 AM »

Protecting yourself and others is a moral act.
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« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2012, 10:30:00 AM »

It controls the out-of-control breeding of humanity, which is fine for me.

The less humanity breeds, the better for the planet.

Then go help the planet by getting a vasectomy. Wink

More seriously, this is one of those issues where people oft wish others would do it, but have no intention of doing it themselves.  (Not that I have any reason to think you are such a person.)
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« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2012, 11:45:37 AM »

It controls the out-of-control breeding of humanity, which is fine for me.

The less humanity breeds, the better for the planet.

Then go help the planet by getting a vasectomy. Wink

More seriously, this is one of those issues where people oft wish others would do it, but have no intention of doing it themselves.  (Not that I have any reason to think you are such a person.)

That would only be a waste of money, because I don't intend to ever have kids. My brothers and sister already have a few kids, so I don't need to contribute to world population growth ... Wink
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« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2012, 03:44:33 PM »

It's black and white. Use of contraception is immoral.



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The idea of contraception being immoral is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
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« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2012, 04:18:25 PM »

Consistently not using contraception is immoral. To do so resurrects Malthus.

Mark your calendar.  We agree.
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« Reply #22 on: March 04, 2012, 03:05:57 AM »

It's black and white. Use of contraception is immoral.



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The idea of contraception being immoral is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Contraception is a license to do things in the sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be
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« Reply #23 on: March 04, 2012, 04:32:29 AM »

It's black and white. Use of contraception is immoral.



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The idea of contraception being immoral is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

Contraception is a license to do things in the sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be

And how are things supposed to be?
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« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2012, 05:00:54 AM »

I am SO confused.
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