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Question: Who is your preferred candidate for the Republican nomination in 2008?
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Sen. Lamar ALEXANDER (TN)
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Sen. George ALLEN (VA)
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Gov. Haley BARBOUR (MS)
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Sen. Sam BROWNBACK (KS)
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Gov. Jeb BUSH (FL)
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Vice Pres. Dick CHENEY (WY)
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Rep. Tom DELAY (TX)
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Sen. Elizabeth DOLE (NC)
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Gov. Bob EHRLICH (MD)
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Gov. Ernie FLETCHER (KY)
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Gen. Tommy FRANKS (TX)
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Sen. Bill FRIST (TN)
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Fmr. Rep. Newt GINGRICH (GA)
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Fmr. Mayor Rudy GIULIANI (NY)
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Sen. Lindsey GRAHAM (SC)
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Sen. Charles GRASSLEY (IA)
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Gov. Kenny GUINN (NV)
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Sen. Chuck HAGEL (NE)
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Rep. Dennis HASTERT (IL)
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Sen. Orrin HATCH (UT)
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Gov. Mike HUCKABEE (AR)
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Sen. Kay HUTCHISON (TX)
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Sen. John KYL (AZ)
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Sen. John McCAIN (AZ)
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Sen. Lisa MURKOWSKI (AK)
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Gov. Bill OWENS (CO)
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Gov. George PATAKI (NY)
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Gov. Tim PAWLENTY (MN)
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Gov. Rick PERRY (TX)
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Fmr. Sec. of State Colin POWELL (NY)
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Fmr. Vice Pres. Dan QUAYLE (IN)
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Sec. of State Condoleezza RICE (CA)
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Fmr. Gov. Tom RIDGE (PA)
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Gov. Mitt ROMNEY (MA)
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Gov. Mark SANFORD (SC)
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Sen. Rick SANTORUM (PA)
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Sen. Gordon SMITH (OR)
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Rep. Tom TANCREDO (CO)
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Fmr. Gov. Tommy THOMPSON (WI)
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Fmr. Gov. Christie WHITMAN (NJ)
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Sen. George VOINOVICH (OH)
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« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2005, 04:53:03 pm »

Pawlenty is good
Kyl is very sharp

after that it gets might thin...

If Jeb had a different last name he would be the clear frontrunner.
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« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2005, 09:28:56 pm »

Pawlenty is good
Kyl is very sharp

after that it gets might thin...

If Jeb had a different last name he would be the clear frontrunner.

Don't know enough about Pawlenty to comment.

Kyl has some unusual assets for a Senator.

His integrity is a byword in my state.

He also is very soft spoken, and he works well with others.

He's very hard working and highly knowledgeable.

Even better, he understands basic concepts.

Last time, the Democrats didn't even put up a sacraficial lamb against him.
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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2005, 07:46:40 pm »

Pawlenty is good
Kyl is very sharp

after that it gets might thin...

If Jeb had a different last name he would be the clear frontrunner.

Don't know enough about Pawlenty to comment.

Kyl has some unusual assets for a Senator.

His integrity is a byword in my state.

He also is very soft spoken, and he works well with others.

He's very hard working and highly knowledgeable.

Even better, he understands basic concepts.

Last time, the Democrats didn't even put up a sacraficial lamb against him.

Unfortunately though, given the choice of the two senators from Arizona, the ordinary Republican is bound to vote for the more well-known.  Kyl is being completely upstaged.
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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2005, 07:53:22 pm »


Is there somebody missing? Smiley
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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2005, 11:33:33 pm »


(Scratches head)  Look at my original post.
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« Reply #30 on: January 13, 2005, 12:46:12 am »

I voted for Haley Barbour, mostly because he is no longer a congress creature (since he was elected governor of MS, that is)
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« Reply #31 on: January 13, 2005, 01:46:32 am »

Pawlenty, if he can get re-elected, Sanford (even though he's from the Deep South), Allen.

If Jeb Bush had a different name, he'd be my pick and he'd win easily over anyone else.

In short, Senators lose, Governors win (Allen is excepted from this rule because he was governor).
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« Reply #32 on: January 13, 2005, 02:40:16 am »

Actually, I sort of feel like doing the whole thing, so I will.  Give my analysis to compare with Al's on the other side (though I disagree with some of his conclusions):

 
Sen. Lamar ALEXANDER (TN):  Good guy, his record has been much more conservative than I expected.  He should stay in the Senate.  Smiley
Sen. George ALLEN (VA):  Supposedly not high on the intelligence scale, he is still extremely popular in Virginia (which Dems keep saying is a swing state) and does have the Governor's exp.  Possibly a good chance here.  Of course, he does have to win re-election and I wouldn't be surprised if Warner runs here, but Warner will have a tough time winning.  Warner should either run for President in 2008 or wait till the other Warner (John) retires.  He could probably win the Senate seat then.
Gov. Haley BARBOUR (MS):  Haley's been a good gov., but he's got too much of an "insider" past.
Sen. Sam BROWNBACK (KS):  I like the way he votes; he's also an entertaining guy, but I don't want to see another Pres. candidate from Kansas.
Gov. Jeb BUSH (FL):  If his name weren't Bush, he'd be the frontrunner and likely favorite to win it all.  Still a formidable candidate were he to choose to run.
Vice Pres. Dick CHENEY (WY):  Health problems an issue, strong with Republican base.  He'd actually be a strong candidate in the primaries, would do terribly in the general election, though.
Rep. Tom DELAY (TX):  LOL.  He's still the most powerful House leader in 50 years though.
Sen. Elizabeth DOLE (NC):  I like Liddy Dole and she's been a good Senator, but I don't think we'll have another Dole running for President.
Gov. Bob EHRLICH (MD):  Being in Maryland presently, I like Ehrlich a whole lot for a supposed RINO.  If he can squeeze past re-election (which will be tough), he'd be an excellent VP pick for a conservative Rep. candidate.  Not Presidential material, however.
Gov. Ernie FLETCHER (KY):  Fletcher is the heir apparent to Bunning's Senate seat.  I don't see him running for President or getting the nomination, but he would potentially be a good VP pick (because of proximity to Ohio) for a Senator Pres. candidate.
Gen. Tommy FRANKS (TX):  Not a serious candidate.  Would probably do well like Colin Powell, though, as he is not the idiot Wesley Clark is.
Sen. Bill FRIST (TN):  Frist, while having good credentials, puts me to sleep more often than not.  This (along with being a Senator) would make him a bad candidate.  Still, I think he's going to run (and get knocked out in the primaries).
Fmr. Rep. Newt GINGRICH (GA):  Newt's a narcissist.  Gimme a break.
Fmr. Mayor Rudy GIULIANI (NY):  Rudy is too liberal, too obnoxious (sometimes) and too much a former mayor of NYC.  However, he is a great stump campaigner and would be a more formidable candidate than most here think he would be.
Sen. Lindsey GRAHAM (SC):  Graham's another good guy, but not Presidential material.  He should start collecting years in the Senate like former SC senators.
Sen. Charles GRASSLEY (IA):  Grassley is a good VP pick, but Presidentially he would suffer from the same Senator problem that all other Senators suffer from (including Evan Bayh, for all the Dems around here who love him)
Gov. Kenny GUINN (NV):  I don't know much about Guinn personally.  I would assume that being from Nevada would make him an interesting VP choice.
Sen. Chuck HAGEL (NE):  Hagel?  Sheesh, no way.  Republicans don't even really like him, honestly.
Rep. Dennis HASTERT (IL):  If Senators don't get elected President, imagine how bad House members are.  Hastert should be content with being third to the "big chair".
Sen. Orrin HATCH (UT):  Hatch would secure the all-important swing state of Utah.  No way.  He'll continue to be his usually Senate-pain-in-the-neck self.
Gov. Mike HUCKABEE (AR):  He might try to run, but his record fits more of the populist Arkansas that Al describes, rather than being an economic conservative.  He wouldn't get past the primaries.
Sen. Kay HUTCHISON (TX):  Her pro-choice stance is a problem.  However, if there is one woman Senator who I think can get elected, it's her.  She might be pushing towards it soon by running for Texas Gov., a good starting-off point.
Sen. John KYL (AZ):  John Kyl is a great Senator and a good politician.  If he weren't a Senator, I would consider him a really good shot for the nomination if he wanted it.  He still might be, but he'd lose in the general election.
Sen. John McCAIN (AZ):  John McCain will never get out of the Republican primaries.  It's his fate.  Besides he's too old.
Sen. Lisa MURKOWSKI (AK):  She had trouble winning in Alaska.  Please.
Gov. Bill OWENS (CO):  Before his divorce and before the terrible showing of Colorado Reps in this 2004 election, I would have considered him the frontrunner.  Now he's just another runner in the race, and not a great one at that.
Gov. George PATAKI (NY):  Pataki is killing off the GOP in NY, why don't we let him try nationally?  No chance.
Gov. Tim PAWLENTY (MN):  If Pawlenty wins re-election, his name will be among the top mentioned for Pres. because he has good conservative credentials and tends to be much more environmentalist than most present Reps.  Good shot, though he is a bit young.
Gov. Rick PERRY (TX):  Perry will have trouble getting out of the Rep. primary for Governor in 2006.  No way.
Fmr. Sec. of State Colin POWELL (NY):  If Powell wanted it, he could have it.  He doesn't want it, of course.
Fmr. Vice Pres. Dan QUAYLE (IN):  Noe.
Sec. of State Condoleezza RICE (CA):  Another very good candidate, if she wants it.  Would cause enormous problems for Hillary.  Social conservatives will of course need to know about her positions more.
Fmr. Gov. Tom RIDGE (PA):  Tom Ridge is another excellent VP pick.  As Presidential material, he might fall short of expectations.
Gov. Mitt ROMNEY (MA):  The more I discount Romeny, the more comes through.  I still don't understand Massachusetts and their fascination with Kennedys, fake Irishmen and Republican governors, but every day it looks more and more likely Romney will be re-elected.  I just can't picture him getting anywhere in the nomination process though.
Gov. Mark SANFORD (SC):  I know to those who think Reps should not nominate Southerners, he will be a bad candidate.  But he has been an excellent governor and I think is a real potential dark horse in 2008, especially on the economic conservative side.
Sen. Rick SANTORUM (PA):  Santorum will be a strong candidate, were if he gets re-elected.  He still suffers from the Senator problem though.  However, to a more centrist Republican candidate, he would provide an excellent VP counterweight.
Sen. Gordon SMITH (OR):  Too moderate and too much a Senator.  He's very successful in Oregon, though.
Rep. Tom TANCREDO (CO):  Just a little bit too far to the right.  Smiley
Fmr. Gov. Tommy THOMPSON (WI):  He's a better candidate to go after a Wisconsin Senate seat, IMO.  Another good VP candidate, though.
Fmr. Gov. Christie WHITMAN (NJ):  After her book, she won't go anywhere.  She wouldn't have gone anywhere beforehand either.
Sen. George VOINOVICH (OH):  Once again, too moderate.  Also, just not very interesting of a guy, frankly.
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« Reply #33 on: January 13, 2005, 10:14:25 am »

Excellent candidate analysis, SamSpade.

The trick to staying in the White House for the Republicans is to nominate someone who:
1. Is not a senator.  Or even worse, a House Rep.  Governors are the way to go.
2. Is not from the South, or any other safe Republican states.
3. Will make the ticket a balance of moderate-conservative or vice versa.  A moderate nominee at the top of the ticket will help heal the current rift between left and right.
4. Is not the current Vice President.  I doubt he'll run, and he's said he won't, but unless the Republicans plan to crash and burn in November 2008, Dick Cheney would be a terrible choice.
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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2005, 11:21:17 am »

Good analysis Sam. One thing: Fletcher would make a very bad VP pick... not only is he a ugly and abrasive he's pretty unpopular at the moment and will probably lose in '07 (the only reason why he won in the first place is 'cos Patton couldn't keep his trousers on. Democratic primary could be very crowded).
I remember Barbour's approval ratings being low but it was a Uni polls so let's ignore that...
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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2005, 02:22:00 pm »

:Starts chanting Delay::

If DeLay doesn't run, then Hutchison!
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« Reply #36 on: January 14, 2005, 12:39:02 am »

I would support Allen probably, but to be perfectly honest I see him more a ticket-balancer at VP than a real Presidential option. That said, he was a pretty good Governor and the rap on his intelligence is probably exaggerated.

I like Pawlenty a lot. I'm skeptical he will run... if he does, I would take him very, very seriously because it means the establishment encouraged it.

Romney is not too special, but he could surprise you. Close to a finished product and he would have the 'moderate' label by virtue of his Mass. governorship. To assauge the concerns of party activists, his VP would have to be a leading conservative... Allen, Santorum, etc.

Kyl, by the way, is quite old if I recall correctly... just looks young.

Sanford is indeed a dark-horse guy to watch out for. He's from South Carolina, family man, etc., but he's not prudish and is fairly young... went to the same college I now attend, so maybe I'm biased. I did watch, live, a debate between him and Hodges, and he did better than I was told to expect.

In conclusion, I would grade Pawlently as the hottest prospect at this point. For a 'Northern' candidate, he's conservative in a lean-Dem state, which is an electoral asset. Also, his VP would not be critical in holding together the GOP. Overall, a high upside possibility. Odds-wise, I like Romney, because it appears the GOP establishment is behind him right now.
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« Reply #37 on: January 14, 2005, 12:52:44 am »

I think Sanford would be the strongest GOP candidate. He is more socially moderate than Bush, and he's a fiscal conservative. He'd hold strong appeal to moderates and independents as well.
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« Reply #38 on: January 14, 2005, 07:50:02 pm »

where is Snowe?

And, btw, I detest Kyl Tongue
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« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2005, 08:07:57 pm »


Probably somewhere in Maine Wink

I guess I forgot about her.  But she won't run because she knows she won't win any primaries (except Maine I guess).  She's not very popular with most Republicans because she's a liberal RINO.
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« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2005, 09:07:52 pm »

I'd pick Mitt Romney.

He's not too liberal, not too conservative.  He seems to strike the right balance. 

He's very intelligent, I think charismatic, and has proven his executive and managerial abilities, both in the business world, and as governor.

He straightened out the floundering and scandal ridden Salt Lake Olympics, and has an admirable record as Governor.

He has a sense of humor as well.  Did you see him a couple of years ago speaking to a very Democratic audience on St. Patrick's Day?

His appeal cuts accross party lines.  He seems to have appeal for Republicans, Democrats, Independents.

I believe he would be successful in making a breakthrough for the GOP in the northeast, as well as holding traditionally GOP states.

I believe a Romney Santorum ticket would be very strong.

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« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2005, 02:46:13 am »

Kay Bailey Hutchison.

Like Thatcher, she will kick your ass in a very ladylike fashion.  We should nominate her if she runs, a talent like this only comes to a party once every generation.
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« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2005, 06:20:13 am »

I voted for Bobbie Fletcher cos I wanted to see the results and I know noone else would, so please take one off him.
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« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2005, 07:58:30 pm »

Out of these

1. Franks (No chance)
2. Powell (No chance)
3. Romney
4. Giuliani (Vague chance)
5. Cheney (No chance)
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« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2005, 08:51:28 pm »

Tough pick at this point...I think Jeb would be the frontrunner, but the media would be all over him for a supposed Bush dynasty. He'd do better to run for the senate seat in 06.
Kyl, Santorum and Pawlenty would be good candidates as well.
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« Reply #45 on: January 18, 2005, 12:02:50 pm »

Franks would make quite a good running mate IMO.

A McCain/Frist ticket would probably have the best shot in 2008, but a) it's still a long way to go, and b) McCain is unlikely to win the nomination anyway due to his age and a degree of unpopularity among some of the GOP faithful.
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« Reply #46 on: January 18, 2005, 12:29:38 pm »

A McCain/Frist ticket would probably have the best shot in 2008, but a) it's still a long way to go, and b) McCain is unlikely to win the nomination anyway due to his age and a degree of unpopularity among some of the GOP faithful.

Whoever Karl Rove choses to team up with will win the nomination, IMO. Since Dick Cheney will not seak the nomination Im thinkin Bush and Karl rove will back either Frist or Santorum.  They fit the neo-con image and agenda alot better than any other possible candidates out there.
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« Reply #47 on: January 18, 2005, 12:50:39 pm »

Good grief, your primary's all over the place! No clear front-runner, I'm surprised

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« Reply #48 on: January 18, 2005, 12:55:47 pm »

Good grief, your primary's all over the place! No clear front-runner, I'm surprised

Dave

It certainly seems so.  The current front-runners with only 5 votes each (out of 60) are John McCain, which this thread has established is old and unpopular, and Dick Cheney, who......oh.
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« Reply #49 on: January 18, 2005, 04:56:40 pm »

Of thesem Giuliani. But in the right circmstances, I would consider the man John once called Swweger.
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