Whig Party National Conference

[Cath]

I'll probably join, but the name "Whig Party" is terrible.

Why? It's a kickass name!

[Simfan34]

I'll probably join, but the name "Whig Party" is terrible.

Which one did you prefer? Or what name would you like?

[Dr. RI, Trustbuster]

I'll probably join, but the name "Whig Party" is terrible.

Why? It's a kickass name!

If you're a bunch of ineffectual early-1800s old people who never win an election.

[I'm a John Fetterman Democrat]

I heard the suggestion of "Whig" party mentioned. Sounds much better than communitarian. When I hear "Communitarian", I imagine some nice cozy little welfare state somewhere in Europe, very small and very insignificant and with a decidedly leftist tilt. My mental image for "Whig" is Henry Clay or Abe Lincoln wading through the mud stoidly in Kentucky or something, charging boldly and ruggedly ahead in the wilderness, fighting for internal improvements and other stuff. Whig is much better.

Seeing as the RPP is dissolving, I'll put this on my list of parties I'm consider joining.

Communitarianism is an ideology that stresses the importance of the community as an organic social unit, and advocates moral values and tradition.

Now THAT'S scary.

Which part is scary to you- community, morals, or tradition? It is sccary that you find those scary!

I don't find any of those things scary, I found the wording scary.

What is "morality" in terms of values? I'd like to know that.

[Pingvin]

I love it!

[CLARENCE 2015!]

I heard the suggestion of "Whig" party mentioned. Sounds much better than communitarian. When I hear "Communitarian", I imagine some nice cozy little welfare state somewhere in Europe, very small and very insignificant and with a decidedly leftist tilt. My mental image for "Whig" is Henry Clay or Abe Lincoln wading through the mud stoidly in Kentucky or something, charging boldly and ruggedly ahead in the wilderness, fighting for internal improvements and other stuff. Whig is much better.

Seeing as the RPP is dissolving, I'll put this on my list of parties I'm consider joining.

Communitarianism is an ideology that stresses the importance of the community as an organic social unit, and advocates moral values and tradition.

Now THAT'S scary.

Which part is scary to you- community, morals, or tradition? It is sccary that you find those scary!

I don't find any of those things scary, I found the wording scary.

What is "morality" in terms of values? I'd like to know that.

For me this is in terms of abortion, humanitarian foreign intervention, preserving government assistance of the poor who are unable to help themselves, etc

[Simfan34]

I heard the suggestion of "Whig" party mentioned. Sounds much better than communitarian. When I hear "Communitarian", I imagine some nice cozy little welfare state somewhere in Europe, very small and very insignificant and with a decidedly leftist tilt. My mental image for "Whig" is Henry Clay or Abe Lincoln wading through the mud stoidly in Kentucky or something, charging boldly and ruggedly ahead in the wilderness, fighting for internal improvements and other stuff. Whig is much better.

Seeing as the RPP is dissolving, I'll put this on my list of parties I'm consider joining.

Communitarianism is an ideology that stresses the importance of the community as an organic social unit, and advocates moral values and tradition.

Now THAT'S scary.

Which part is scary to you- community, morals, or tradition? It is sccary that you find those scary!

I don't find any of those things scary, I found the wording scary.

What is "morality" in terms of values? I'd like to know that.

We want people to act as respectful, social citizens, and would like to stem the loss of "social capital"- as it is an important part of democracy. Morality is very basic- normal, respectful behavior that helps to better others as well as yourself.

EDIT: And what Clarence said.

[Dr. RI, Trustbuster]

I'll probably join, but the name "Whig Party" is terrible.

Which one did you prefer? Or what name would you like?

I prefer a party name that says a least a bit about your goals and ideology. The CPA was fine with me, but apparently people didn't like that one. You could revive the CDP or something, but most anything would be better than Whig.

[Jerseyrules]

I'll probably join, but the name "Whig Party" is terrible.

Why? It's a kickass name!

Why?  Old F***** Badasses of all sorts (and lots of war heroes) were members of the real one; Zachary Taylor, Winfield Scott, Bob Dole, Strom Thurmond, Ronald Reagan; theres so many kick-ass motherf****ers to choose from!

[I'm a John Fetterman Democrat]

I heard the suggestion of "Whig" party mentioned. Sounds much better than communitarian. When I hear "Communitarian", I imagine some nice cozy little welfare state somewhere in Europe, very small and very insignificant and with a decidedly leftist tilt. My mental image for "Whig" is Henry Clay or Abe Lincoln wading through the mud stoidly in Kentucky or something, charging boldly and ruggedly ahead in the wilderness, fighting for internal improvements and other stuff. Whig is much better.

Seeing as the RPP is dissolving, I'll put this on my list of parties I'm consider joining.

Communitarianism is an ideology that stresses the importance of the community as an organic social unit, and advocates moral values and tradition.

Now THAT'S scary.

Which part is scary to you- community, morals, or tradition? It is sccary that you find those scary!

I don't find any of those things scary, I found the wording scary.

What is "morality" in terms of values? I'd like to know that.

For me this is in terms of abortion, humanitarian foreign intervention, preserving government assistance of the poor who are unable to help themselves, etc

Humanitarian foreign intervention? Well intentioned, but it can lead to nation building. Are you in favor of that?

[Cath]

I'll probably join, but the name "Whig Party" is terrible.

Why? It's a kickass name!

Why?  Old F***** Badasses of all sorts (and lots of war heroes) were members of the real one; Zachary Taylor, Winfield Scott, Bob Dole, Strom Thurmond, Ronald Reagan; theres so many kick-ass motherf****ers to choose from!

By "real one", am I to assume you're including the Republican party? (doubtlessly, Bob Dole would've been in the Whig party were it alive today. Why? I dunno. He just seems that way. RR and ST are more questionable) But yes, there were some badasses in it back in those days. I'd love to see a Zachary Taylor lives scenario where he marches right into the South and kicks ass.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

I heard the suggestion of "Whig" party mentioned. Sounds much better than communitarian. When I hear "Communitarian", I imagine some nice cozy little welfare state somewhere in Europe, very small and very insignificant and with a decidedly leftist tilt. My mental image for "Whig" is Henry Clay or Abe Lincoln wading through the mud stoidly in Kentucky or something, charging boldly and ruggedly ahead in the wilderness, fighting for internal improvements and other stuff. Whig is much better.

Seeing as the RPP is dissolving, I'll put this on my list of parties I'm consider joining.

Communitarianism is an ideology that stresses the importance of the community as an organic social unit, and advocates moral values and tradition.

Now THAT'S scary.

Which part is scary to you- community, morals, or tradition? It is sccary that you find those scary!

I don't find any of those things scary, I found the wording scary.

What is "morality" in terms of values? I'd like to know that.

For me this is in terms of abortion, humanitarian foreign intervention, preserving government assistance of the poor who are unable to help themselves, etc

Humanitarian foreign intervention? Well intentioned, but it can lead to nation building. Are you in favor of that?

Absolutely not- having been on civic action teams in Vietnam where men were killed on a mission to build a school house, I do not want to ever get bogged down on nation building. I have made that very clear in my campaign for Senate also

[I'm a John Fetterman Democrat]

I heard the suggestion of "Whig" party mentioned. Sounds much better than communitarian. When I hear "Communitarian", I imagine some nice cozy little welfare state somewhere in Europe, very small and very insignificant and with a decidedly leftist tilt. My mental image for "Whig" is Henry Clay or Abe Lincoln wading through the mud stoidly in Kentucky or something, charging boldly and ruggedly ahead in the wilderness, fighting for internal improvements and other stuff. Whig is much better.

Seeing as the RPP is dissolving, I'll put this on my list of parties I'm consider joining.

Communitarianism is an ideology that stresses the importance of the community as an organic social unit, and advocates moral values and tradition.

Now THAT'S scary.

Which part is scary to you- community, morals, or tradition? It is sccary that you find those scary!

I don't find any of those things scary, I found the wording scary.

What is "morality" in terms of values? I'd like to know that.

For me this is in terms of abortion, humanitarian foreign intervention, preserving government assistance of the poor who are unable to help themselves, etc

Humanitarian foreign intervention? Well intentioned, but it can lead to nation building. Are you in favor of that?

Absolutely not- having been on civic action teams in Vietnam where men were killed on a mission to build a school house, I do not want to ever get bogged down on nation building. I have made that very clear in my campaign for Senate also

I see. But do you agree that it is difficult nowadays to enter a nation with "humanitarian" intent and leave without at least contributing to some kind of nation-building? Is there any morality in enter a country, helping them topple an oppressive regime, for instance, and then leaving?

[Simfan34]

This is why we support multilateralism. We go in, do what we need to do, and have peacekeepers maintain the peace while we continue with aid and capacity-building programs.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

I believe yes- by humanitarian I mean genocide. I do not believe in intervening in a civil war or a dictatorship unless it becomes genocide. If we put an end to genoide and then hand over power to a group of tribal leaders, that is success.  Nation building is FAR more then setting up a government... it involves building schools and community buildings. In Afghanistan a major mission of our Navy right now is to subsidize and deliver crops to prevent rural farmers from getting into the opium trade- I would never want to get into things like that

[TJ in Oregon]

I see. But do you agree that it is difficult nowadays to enter a nation with "humanitarian" intent and leave without at least contributing to some kind of nation-building? Is there any morality in enter a country, helping them topple an oppressive regime, for instance, and then leaving?

Humanitarian aid does not generally refer to entering a nation and helping topple an oppressive regime. It usually is more related to things like sending malayria nets to poor African villages that can't afford them or something like Haiti's earthquake relief. Sometimes we fund military groups or UN peacekeeping missions. I think these things often result in us ending up in fewer wars if done correctly.

[I'm a John Fetterman Democrat]

I see. But do you agree that it is difficult nowadays to enter a nation with "humanitarian" intent and leave without at least contributing to some kind of nation-building? Is there any morality in enter a country, helping them topple an oppressive regime, for instance, and then leaving?

Humanitarian aid does not generally refer to entering a nation and helping topple an oppressive regime. It usually is more related to things like sending malayria nets to poor African villages that can't afford them or something like Haiti's earthquake relief. Sometimes we fund military groups or UN peacekeeping missions. I think these things often result in us ending up in fewer wars if done correctly.

Which is why I said "for instance."

[Simfan34]

I believe yes- by humanitarian I mean genocide. I do not believe in intervening in a civil war or a dictatorship unless it becomes genocide. If we put an end to genoide and then hand over power to a group of tribal leaders, that is success.  Nation building is FAR more then setting up a government... it involves building schools and community buildings. In Afghanistan a major mission of our Navy right now is to subsidize and deliver crops to prevent rural farmers from getting into the opium trade- I would never want to get into things like that

Indeed. Locals can do that, with Atlasian aid and international peacekeepers. No major intervention is needed.

And while I don't mean to be rude, 20RP12, I think it's safe to say you won't be joining us. Can we not continue this in Political Debate? We need to organize our party.

[I'm a John Fetterman Democrat]

I believe yes- by humanitarian I mean genocide. I do not believe in intervening in a civil war or a dictatorship unless it becomes genocide. If we put an end to genoide and then hand over power to a group of tribal leaders, that is success.  Nation building is FAR more then setting up a government... it involves building schools and community buildings. In Afghanistan a major mission of our Navy right now is to subsidize and deliver crops to prevent rural farmers from getting into the opium trade- I would never want to get into things like that

I see.

[Simfan34]

In other news, we have a majority in the IDS legislature.

[CLARENCE 2015!]

In other news, we have a majority in the IDS legislature.

Do we? Who else aside from me and Pingvin?

[Simfan34]

In other news, we have a majority in the IDS legislature.

Do we? Who else aside from me and Pingvin?

And the IDS legislature has 3 members!

[CLARENCE 2015!]

In other news, we have a majority in the IDS legislature.

Do we? Who else aside from me and Pingvin?

And the IDS legislature has 3 members!

Not anymore... just passed bill to move up to 5. Yelnoc, Teddy, and Taft4Prez are also members

[Napoleon]

You're tied with the Liberals!

[Cath]

Fine, Ill join. There'll soon be an official announcement in my office.

xCathcon