UK General Discussion

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Stephen Timms got a gentle pillorying after saying that marriage revolved around children.
Next door MP, Lyn Brown said Timms attended her wedding and surely Timms must have noticed that she was above child bearing age when she got married. Did that then make her marriage invalid?

Burn.

And anyway, I always thought their was some irony in our own national church being born out of one man's desperate urge to divorce his wife.

[afleitch]

I read somewhere that there's a surprising collection of LibDems planning to abstain or vote no. Any weight in this?

It's been rumoured. When push comes to shove that's what the Lib Dems do on these matters. There are also an unexpected number of Labour MP's standing up and opposing it. There could be attempts to scuttle the whole thing.

[Benj]

For those interested, here are projected votes:

http://www.c4em.org.uk/support-for-equal-marriage/

May be slightly optimistic as it's compiled by a pro-gay marriage group.

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For those interested, here are projected votes:

http://www.c4em.org.uk/support-for-equal-marriage/

May be slightly optimistic as it's compiled by a pro-gay marriage group.

Some of the names are bizarre. Sarah Teather?

[Benj]

For those interested, here are projected votes:

http://www.c4em.org.uk/support-for-equal-marriage/

May be slightly optimistic as it's compiled by a pro-gay marriage group.

Some of the names are bizarre. Sarah Teather?

Yeah, I don't know. Seems really unlikely, but she is Catholic. They say she said something in an letter, though who knows what that means and might be misinterpreted. Others have more public statements.

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Got News at 6 on. Cameron swerving the debate completely in favour of meeting Biden looks dodgy.

[YL]

Peter Davies, the elected mayor of Doncaster (and father of Tory MP for Shipley Philip Davies) is leaving the English Democrats because of ex-BNP infiltration, according to a report just now on Look North. 

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Peter Davies, the elected mayor of Doncaster (and father of Tory MP for Shipley Philip Davies) is leaving the English Democrats because of ex-BNP infiltration, according to a report just now on Look North. 

Doubt he'll be reelected anyway.

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Aye - 400
Nay - 175

So the ayes have it.

[afleitch]

Aye - 400
Nay - 175

So the ayes have it.

Bigger majority than some had anticipated.

[afleitch]

Sources suggest 140 Tories against, 132 for. If confirmed I'll resign my membership.

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Sources suggest 140 Tories against, 132 for. If confirmed I'll resign my membership.

I thought you were a Scots Tory, so shouldn't it be how David Mundell would have voted that matters?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

It generally doesn't take long for the real figures to emerge.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

All 8 DUP MPs reportedly against (how shocking). Around 20 Labour MPs and about 4 LibDems, one of which is Teather.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

The Attorney General seems to have abstained.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Sources suggest 140 Tories against, 132 for. If confirmed I'll resign my membership.

139-132 is the current (final?) figure

[Filuwaúrdjan]

There have been 'rebellions' (much, much smaller) on some technical, procedural follow up votes. This is... unusual.

[Leftbehind]

Former children's minister and Conservative MP Tim Loughton told the BBC[...]"Apparently there are 132 Conservative MPs who voted in favour, so I think what we're going to see is that more Conservative MPs voted against this legislation than for it."

Aye - 400
Nay - 175

So the ayes have it.

Bigger majority than some had anticipated.

Can't see why people would be predicting a smaller majority?

[Benj]

Former children's minister and Conservative MP Tim Loughton told the BBC[...]"Apparently there are 132 Conservative MPs who voted in favour, so I think what we're going to see is that more Conservative MPs voted against this legislation than for it."

Aye - 400
Nay - 175

So the ayes have it.

Bigger majority than some had anticipated.

Can't see why people would be predicting a smaller majority?

I think most were assuming all of the "undecideds" were No votes. In the end, most were, but about 20 reportedly undecided MPs must have voted in favor.

[Peter the Lefty]

So now the old, unelected, institutionalized and religiously-influenced club of hacks (aka the House of Lords) votes.  Is it considered a real possibility that they might reject it?

[Leftbehind]

So now the old, unelected, institutionalized and religiously-influenced club of hacks (aka the House of Lords) votes.  Is it considered a real possibility that they might reject it?

Even so, it'll just be bowled over like the irrelevant joke it is.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

institutionalized

I think that's only true of a small number; Lord Gilbert, say.

[afleitch]

Sources suggest 140 Tories against, 132 for. If confirmed I'll resign my membership.

139-132 is the current (final?) figure

Seems to be. Letter already drafted. I can't quite believe I'm doing this under these circumstances on what should be a good day.

[Leftbehind]

I think most were assuming all of the "undecideds" were No votes. In the end, most were, but about 20 reportedly undecided MPs must have voted in favor.

If we're talking about the list posted above, it has 20 extra votes apiece (it already predicted 156 were against). The No vote was only like to come from one place (and ofc the minuscule number of unionists) in any great number, so just how many more Tories were people predicting given already a majority voted against?

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http://brentlibdems.org.uk/en/article/2013/657279/sarah-teather-s-statement-on-tonight-s-vote