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« Reply #1675 on: July 25, 2013, 09:15:18 PM »

More in the Harb saga, RCMP looking at him for potential breach of trust.
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« Reply #1676 on: July 25, 2013, 10:55:31 PM »

Vellacott will retire in 2015.
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« Reply #1677 on: July 26, 2013, 10:29:24 AM »

Dewar has been fined $7000 for illegal robocalls during his leadership campaign, ditto the company in question.
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« Reply #1678 on: July 26, 2013, 02:50:11 PM »

Dewar has been fined $7000 for illegal robocalls during his leadership campaign, ditto the company in question.

Je-zus.
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« Reply #1679 on: July 27, 2013, 05:14:36 PM »

Dewar has been fined $7000 for illegal robocalls during his leadership campaign, ditto the company in question.
Rather sad, I always thought he was at least a good guy, even though he would have been a bad leader.
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« Reply #1680 on: July 27, 2013, 05:21:08 PM »

In other news, Trudeau flip-flops on pot.
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/straighttalk/archives/2013/07/20130727-083208.html
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« Reply #1681 on: July 27, 2013, 05:35:20 PM »

These sorts of fines have cropped up with MPs of all parties (most recently Garneau this spring) over the years. In this case it was not fully identifying the caller, a minor infraction.

In other news, with prorogation impending the new session probably won't start till after Thanksgiving, maybe the Tory policy convention in early November. Not that there's much legislation impending anyways.
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« Reply #1682 on: July 27, 2013, 05:46:01 PM »


He continues writing his opponents ads, news at 11.
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« Reply #1683 on: July 27, 2013, 09:02:48 PM »


Unless I'm mistaken, he had mentioned support of marijuana legalization during the leadership campaign.
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« Reply #1684 on: July 27, 2013, 09:13:07 PM »


Unless I'm mistaken, he had mentioned support of marijuana legalization during the leadership campaign.


He opposed it as recently as January 2012, but said his position had "evolved." Just like his position on the gun registry.
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« Reply #1685 on: July 29, 2013, 11:55:11 AM »

Here's how there can be a fall election in Ontario: NCM.
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« Reply #1686 on: July 31, 2013, 02:50:46 PM »

Poilievre announced a few minutes ago that the government's factum on Senate reform would be uploaded today. Among the referential questions are term limits, provincial consultation and abolition. Needless to say this is about a political reboot.
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« Reply #1687 on: July 31, 2013, 04:57:56 PM »

Including abolition is a way of carrying the NDP along. I seem to remember an article about the NDP not being able to abolish the Senate, if forming government at a future election, and needing to have a slight policy shift for a workable approach. If an inquiry were to say that abolition were impractical, it could give them the opportunity to change position but still save face.
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« Reply #1688 on: July 31, 2013, 05:13:47 PM »

Abolition would definitely require unanimous consent, which is a non-starter on anything constitutional, much less a fundamental change like abolition. Mulcair knows that perfectly well. If the Court says, as they almost certainly will, that consultation is required then there are two options: reopen the Constitution or run against the provinces and implicitly, the Court in 2015. The only reform that can be done unilaterally is appoint senators who agree to voluntarily term-limit themselves. Plus given the provincial instability, with only the Western premiers (who will probably disagree among themselves) politically secure ATM, negotiating partners could change considerably even before the election.
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« Reply #1689 on: July 31, 2013, 05:43:46 PM »

As I read the Constitution, both abolition and an elected senate (at least if the latter were constitutionally binding on future governments' appointments) would require the consent of 7 provincial legislatures with at least 50% of the population, but term limits, not really being a "method of selection", could be done unanimously by Parliament under section 44.

Section 44 of the Constitution Act, 1982 states: "Subject to sections 41 and 42, Parliament may exclusively make laws amending the Constitution of Canada in relation to executive government of Canada or the Senate and House of Commons." Sections 41 and 42, meanwhile, specify subjects with a stricter amendment formula.

Section 41 is the strictest, requiring Parliament + all provincial legislatures, and lists the office of the Queen or GG, the composition of the Supreme Court, official languages, "the right of a province to a number of members in the House of Commons not less than the number of Senators by which the province is entitled to be represented at the time this Part comes into force" (Sad), and amendments to the amendment formula itself. But nothing otherwise about the Senate is mentioned.

Section 42 lists subjects that require Parliament plus 2/3rds of provinces representing at least 50% of the population (which is also per section 38 the general amendment formula for subjects not mentioned). It lists (among a few other unrelated things) "the powers of the Senate and the method of selecting Senators", and "the number of members by which a province is entitled to be represented in the Senate and the residence qualifications of Senators".
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« Reply #1690 on: July 31, 2013, 09:20:43 PM »

FYI, orders came down from party headquarters to be ready for the writ to drop by next week. Apparently we're going to have a summer campaign.
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« Reply #1691 on: July 31, 2013, 09:46:44 PM »

FYI, orders came down from party headquarters to be ready for the writ to drop by next week. Apparently we're going to have a summer campaign.

Grit victory says the polls, but after BC I'm assuming incumbent wins till the votes are counted. Tongue
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« Reply #1692 on: July 31, 2013, 10:58:51 PM »

Stinson doesn't think Wynne's government will last beyond spring if there's a showdown on transit taxes, which is Horwath's line in the sand.
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« Reply #1693 on: August 01, 2013, 12:00:15 AM »

FYI, orders came down from party headquarters to be ready for the writ to drop by next week. Apparently we're going to have a summer campaign.

Ugh... same timing as the Quebec election last year, almost.
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« Reply #1694 on: August 03, 2013, 01:25:59 PM »

Baillie says Tories are ready for election call

All but 3 candidates nominated, and the 3 seats left are ones we don't have a hope in hell of winning. Kind of expecting an election call today, but nothing yet. Sad
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« Reply #1695 on: August 05, 2013, 09:01:28 AM »

Ugh, more crap from hardened malcontents.
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« Reply #1696 on: August 05, 2013, 09:10:50 AM »


Is this Red Tories or right wingers pissed about him being insufficiently right wing?
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« Reply #1697 on: August 05, 2013, 09:17:28 AM »

Why wasn't Hudak dumped after the last election anyway? This is what I don't understand.

The PC result wasn't good when you consider the lead they had before the campaign and it became about McGuinty Vs Hudak. And from what I gather, voters weren't exactly head-over-heels for Dalton.
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« Reply #1698 on: August 05, 2013, 09:33:37 AM »

Why wasn't Hudak dumped after the last election anyway? This is what I don't understand.

The PC result wasn't good when you consider the lead they had before the campaign and it became about McGuinty Vs Hudak. And from what I gather, voters weren't exactly head-over-heels for Dalton.

Typically in Canada if you pick up the pieces after a landslide defeat you get two kicks at the can. Hudak's predecessor was the exception because he followed up a landslide asskicking.... with another landslide asskicking.
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« Reply #1699 on: August 05, 2013, 09:44:39 AM »

Plus he reduced the Grits to a minority, albeit barely. Hudak's problems IMO are personality/skills: lacks political agility (the deer-in-headlights defensive crouch he was in when it leaked that he's pro-life 2 years ago) and brass knuckles. Former is perhaps workable, latter's innate. Plus these people don't have an alternative- you can't replace someone with no one. I highly doubt anyone they'd think of has those missing qualities.
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