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« Reply #500 on: May 15, 2012, 10:56:03 AM »


Wow. I thought he had a ceiling of ~45% in the province.

Well, the "free enterprise coalition" can coalesce all they want, they're not going to win with the NDP polling that high. BTW, I read that the BC Liberals are thinking of changing their name to the "BC Party". Considering their stupid rhetoric, wouldn't calling themselves the "Free enterprise Party" make more sense?
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« Reply #501 on: May 15, 2012, 03:08:00 PM »


Wow. I thought he had a ceiling of ~45% in the province.

Well, the "free enterprise coalition" can coalesce all they want, they're not going to win with the NDP polling that high. BTW, I read that the BC Liberals are thinking of changing their name to the "BC Party". Considering their stupid rhetoric, wouldn't calling themselves the "Free enterprise Party" make more sense?
I think most of BC residents forgot previous NDP government Wink
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« Reply #502 on: May 15, 2012, 04:01:03 PM »

Excuse me for interrupting the conversation, but would someone explain the primary differences between he Liberal Party and the NDP?

Also, is the Liberal Party done as a national party?
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« Reply #503 on: May 15, 2012, 04:05:13 PM »

Liberal voters are the one's who are "too wealthy to vote NDP and too smart to vote Tory". Basically they are an establishment party, representing traditional Liberal views. They are economically centre-right, socially centre-left. The NDP is a traditional social democratic party, except until now has not been one of the establishment parties (and still isn't, really).

Only time will tell if the Liberals are dead. I hope so, though.
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« Reply #504 on: May 15, 2012, 04:07:30 PM »
« Edited: May 15, 2012, 04:09:05 PM by Senator wormyguy »

Excuse me for interrupting the conversation, but would someone explain the primary differences between he Liberal Party and the NDP?

Not a Canadian, but the NDP is to the left of the Liberals.  The Liberals are essentially non-ideological, they tend to support leftist social policy and whatever economic policy they feel will win them the most votes (in the 90s they supported tax and spending cuts - but were elected on a platform of protectionism; in the recent election they literally copied most of the NDP platform and had it backfire on them).

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Short term no, medium term maybe.
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« Reply #505 on: May 15, 2012, 04:13:13 PM »

Brokerage isn't what it used to be. Catholics and immigrants used to be firmly in their corner, for instance.
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« Reply #506 on: May 17, 2012, 06:37:30 AM »

Forum Ontario poll, May 14

Provincial:
Cons 34/ NDP 32/ Libs 27

Federal:
Cons 35/ NDP 35/ Libs 22

NDP up in 416 with 44%, but I'm not gonna trust that with such small sample size. Still, does anything think they can carry Toronto Center with that number?
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« Reply #507 on: May 17, 2012, 09:25:20 AM »

Perhaps, but especially if they divided the riding in half; they would win the south end easily. However, if they make two skinny ridings out of it, who knows? (TC is set to get smaller, as it's over populated)
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« Reply #508 on: May 17, 2012, 03:12:14 PM »

Rae would probably win on a personal vote, like most remaining Grits.
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« Reply #509 on: May 18, 2012, 12:37:12 PM »

Etobicoke Centre result overturned- will Opitz appeal to the Supremes?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/05/18/pol-court-throws-out-etobicoke-centre-election-wrzesnewskyj.html
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« Reply #510 on: May 18, 2012, 03:43:36 PM »

Deschamps is retiring from the Court.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/supreme-court-justice-retires-giving-harper-chance-to-appoint-majority/article2437085/
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« Reply #511 on: May 19, 2012, 03:18:08 AM »

Shouldn't be overly hard to get the 9 vote margin in Montmagny - L'Islet - Kamouraska - Riviére-du-Loup overturned based on this ruling.

Hopefully the five people who were found to have voted twice cop a hefty fine.
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« Reply #512 on: May 19, 2012, 12:51:14 PM »

But where does it end? This is so stupid. I'd rather just defer to Elections Canada's judgement and handling of the issue, rather than election results being contested at court and overturned whenever the results are close, forcing by-elections.
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« Reply #513 on: May 19, 2012, 12:54:03 PM »

But where does it end? This is so stupid. I'd rather just defer to Elections Canada's judgement and handling of the issue, rather than election results being contested at court and overturned whenever the results are close, forcing by-elections.

Hear, hear. It already went through an automatic recount last year.
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« Reply #514 on: May 19, 2012, 04:13:35 PM »

Shouldn't be overly hard to get the 9 vote margin in Montmagny - L'Islet - Kamouraska - Riviére-du-Loup overturned based on this ruling.

Hopefully the five people who were found to have voted twice cop a hefty fine.

If I were the CPC strategist I wouldn't risk it. Given the current NDP honeymoon and anti-Harper sentiment in Quebec, a by-election could well result in a solid NDP victory and prompt accusations of Conservatives wasting money for being sore losers.
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« Reply #515 on: May 19, 2012, 04:17:01 PM »

Shouldn't be overly hard to get the 9 vote margin in Montmagny - L'Islet - Kamouraska - Riviére-du-Loup overturned based on this ruling.

Hopefully the five people who were found to have voted twice cop a hefty fine.

If I were the CPC strategist I wouldn't risk it. Given the current NDP honeymoon and anti-Harper sentiment in Quebec, a by-election could well result in a solid NDP victory and prompt accusations of Conservatives wasting money for being sore losers.

I agree with you 100%. The flirtation between Harper and Quebec ended during the 2008 campaign and won't return unless Mulcair stumbles horribly on a Quebec-related issue.
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« Reply #516 on: May 20, 2012, 06:24:23 AM »

Shouldn't be overly hard to get the 9 vote margin in Montmagny - L'Islet - Kamouraska - Riviére-du-Loup overturned based on this ruling.

Hopefully the five people who were found to have voted twice cop a hefty fine.

If I were the CPC strategist I wouldn't risk it. Given the current NDP honeymoon and anti-Harper sentiment in Quebec, a by-election could well result in a solid NDP victory and prompt accusations of Conservatives wasting money for being sore losers.

I agree with you 100%. The flirtation between Harper and Quebec ended during the 2008 campaign and won't return unless Mulcair stumbles horribly on a Quebec-related issue.

I don't disagree. I was trying to make the same point Holmes made of "where does it all end" by drawing attention to other narrow margins. I don't like this ruling at all. Mistakes were made by Elections Canada but it's the Tory MP who is penalised despite there being no evidence at all (nor, from what I read in the article, even any accusation) of wrongdoing on his part. If anything, it encourages voter fraud - a party could have unenrolled voters turn out in marginal ridings, and hope no other parties realise if they win, but then bring it up and have the result overturned if they lose. Anyway, I just think it's wrong that the person penalised is someone against whom there is no evidence of vote fraud. Hopefully there is an appeal and hopefully the Supreme Court overturns the judgement.
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« Reply #517 on: May 20, 2012, 10:04:34 PM »

Even the Star wants Mulcair to back down on the oilsands.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1181476--tim-harper-tom-mulcair-will-not-move-but-conservatives-define-oilsands-debate

Another Air Canada pilots' strike?

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/air-canada-pilots-dispute-goes-to-arbitration-after-negotiations-fail-152161675.html
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« Reply #518 on: May 21, 2012, 09:28:55 AM »
« Edited: May 21, 2012, 09:36:11 AM by Holmes »

Criticizing the oil sands'  environmental and economic effects on the rest of the country is sacrilege, yes. They are what saved our country from economic doom and are our future. We are the past.
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« Reply #519 on: May 21, 2012, 10:47:28 AM »

If Mulcair doesn't back down on the oil sands, I could feasibly vote NDP next time.
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« Reply #520 on: May 21, 2012, 08:20:29 PM »
« Edited: May 21, 2012, 08:24:27 PM by Frontline: Wisconsin »

No surprise.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/no-canadian-boots-on-afghan-soil-after-2014-harper-says/article2439178/
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« Reply #521 on: May 22, 2012, 05:53:02 PM »



I do believe what's keeping the Tories afloat is their support in Alberta and the prairies.
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« Reply #522 on: May 22, 2012, 10:07:01 PM »

It's nothing new, but I don't think that'll ever stop being strange, considering where Canadian socialism comes from.
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« Reply #523 on: May 27, 2012, 10:46:35 AM »

I don't see this being a major issue, given that none of the party leaders are particularly wealthy.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/NDP%20leader%20has%20remortgaged%20his%20home%2011%20times%20since%20early%201980s/6685607/story.html
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« Reply #524 on: May 30, 2012, 12:49:25 PM »

Brison as interim? Cheesy

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/john-ibbitson/wholl-lead-the-liberals-for-the-next-year/article2447233/
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