Canada General Discussion

[RogueBeaver]

Good riddance.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/07/31/pol-oda-retires.html

[RogueBeaver]

Christy Clark is DOOMED. Ditto Gateway.

http://www.angus-reid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2012.08.03_Politics_BC.pdf

[Foucaulf]

Christy Clark is DOOMED. Ditto Gateway.

http://www.angus-reid.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2012.08.03_Politics_BC.pdf

It was pretty transparent that Clark's spat with Alberta over whether BC should earn revenues from the Enbridge pipeline was an attempt to gain political points, trying to balance business interests and the electorate. If she want to get elected, she ought to axe the pipeline and go from there.

[RogueBeaver]

That Place projects an Orange 2001. NDP 74, Libs 4, Indies 2, Tories 1. Dixquake incoming.

[You kip if you want to...]

That Place projects an Orange 2001. NDP 74, Libs 4, Indies 2, Tories 1. Dixquake incoming.

Another hilarious (yet brilliant) result of FPTP.

[Talleyrand]

That Place projects an Orange 2001. NDP 74, Libs 4, Indies 2, Tories 1. Dixquake incoming.

Do you mean 78 for the NDP?

[RogueBeaver]

Oops. Yeah, 78 NDP.

[Talleyrand]

Some Questions-

Does it look like Clark will lose Vancouver-Point Grey? Or will she move to a different electorate?

Does Cummins have a chance of making it into parliament at all?

[RogueBeaver]

Clark: She barely won it when she entered the legislature.

Cummins: No idea. Ask Foucaulf or Hatman.

[Foucaulf]

One problem I have with that site's analysis is this sentence:

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Which is very dishonest on his part, considering BC politics for 60 years consisted of right-wing coalitions/mass parties against a solid bloc of CCF/NDP voters. The massive swing of 2001 was due to a NDP government corrupted by bad business deals - and the case ought to be the same in 2013.

Does Cummins have a chance of making it into parliament at all?

I don't think so for two reasons:

-Does he have a base? Before party leader he was a Conservative MP out of Harper's inner circle, representing Richmond East (anti-HST and pro-NDP as a consequence) and Delta (where  former councilor Vicki Huntington looks safe). He has very low name recognition because of a media used to a two-party system. There are two areas where his message could sell: in the Interior and in Vancouver's majority-white eastern suburbs. He has not lived in either.

-His platform is bare-bones, typical for a protest party. I'm not saying Conservative voters will switch back to the Liberals, but their base is groups of angry seniors, minorities in every riding. It's more likely star candidates hijack the Conservative name than the other way around.

[MaxQue]

Delta (where  former councilor Vicki Huntington looks safe).

A question. I remember than she is that Independant elected in a Liberal riding.
Does she leans on a side?

[Foucaulf]

A question. I remember than she is that Independant elected in a Liberal riding.
Does she leans on a side?

She isn't a very vocal critic of the government, and her rationale for being an independent in the first place is so she can pursue pet issues. Like I said before, not being in either main party really sucks the airtime out of you.  From what I can tell she has gotten herself involved in opposing the HST and is stridently against environmental exploitation. She is far too economically liberal to be in the NDP; more like Clark in that aspect.

Her victory is probably a response to the Liberal candidate, Wally Oppal, being parachuted into Delta. His riding was vacated to make way for police chief Kash Heed, a star candidate with Punjabi appeal - who ended up being shamed by campaign finance problems anyway.

[Make Politics Boring Again]

I sure won't want the job of BC Liberals election strategist now.

[RogueBeaver]

Dippers rejoice.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/mulcair-says-ndp-will-run-quebec-party-in-time-for-the-provincial-next-election-166568356.html

This shouldn't be a partisan thing- all 3 parties should work together against Marois if she wins.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1243402--quebec-election-2012-stephen-harper-versus-premier-pauline-marois-would-be-a-bout-for-the-ages

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Marois seems like one of those politicians who becomes a hate figure once they get in office.

[RogueBeaver]

Marois seems like one of those politicians who becomes a hate figure once they get in office.

She's a snobby, aloof elitist who's less popular than her party. I've heard many things said about her but "hate" isn't one of them.

[MaxQue]

At PQ victory party, someone fired on 2 persons and arsoned the building.

The two victims are in critical state, and the fire is under control. Marois is safe.

[後援会]

Dippers rejoice.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/mulcair-says-ndp-will-run-quebec-party-in-time-for-the-provincial-next-election-166568356.html

Who would a Quebec NDP hurt the most? The PQ? The Liberals?

[You kip if you want to...]

Dippers rejoice.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/mulcair-says-ndp-will-run-quebec-party-in-time-for-the-provincial-next-election-166568356.html

Who would a Quebec NDP hurt the most? The PQ? The Liberals?

The PQ. Lefties who want a united Canada wouldn't feel the need to go the PQ every time, hoping they'll not get crazy.

[RogueBeaver]

Mulcair said that in light of the PQ victory the plans for NPDQ are on hold.

Next up: Session starts on the 17th, if we don't get some Liberal candidates declaring beforehand.

[LastVoter]

Mulcair said that in light of the PQ victory the plans for NPDQ are on hold.

Next up: Session starts on the 17th, if we don't get some Liberal candidates declaring beforehand.

Is Mulcair not trying to win anymore?

[Хahar 🤔]

Because he recognized a provincial NDP in Quebec would be an awful idea?

[RogueBeaver]

Ideologically the PQ and QS are also social democratic, so there's that. Plus a branch plant party is never a good idea in Quebec, as the Liberals (who were literally a branch plant of the PLC until the 1950s) know from their wartime experiences. Brian Mulroney personally squelched a proposed PCQ in the '80s.

[MaxQue]

Mulcair said that in light of the PQ victory the plans for NPDQ are on hold.

Next up: Session starts on the 17th, if we don't get some Liberal candidates declaring beforehand.

Is Mulcair not trying to win anymore?

In a minority context, elections can be at any moment and launching the party and giving solid footing would at least take a year or two.
Going too quickly would only hurt the party.

[RogueBeaver]

We just severed diplomatic relations with Iran.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/09/07/pol-baird-canada-iran-embassy.html