What's your occupation?

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I have no clue why Republicans think France is such a leftist nation. Can you see someone such as Le Pen being so succesful here? Not to mention it's probably one of the most racist countries in the world, certain parts are still like the 50's era South

[Richard]

I have no clue why Republicans think France is such a leftist nation. Can you see someone such as Le Pen being so succesful here? Not to mention it's probably one of the most racist countries in the world, certain parts are still like the 50's era South

Le Pen?  How is he successful here?

[Richard]

I have no clue why Republicans think France is such a leftist nation.

Maybe because they tax so much?  And they have a really lavish welfare system.  Really lavish.  National healthcare.  National pension.  National telephone company.  National power company.  Etc.  Definitely not my type of right-wing.  Maybe some crazy bizarre Europen right-wing, but not real right-wing.

[J-Mann]

I have no clue why Republicans think France is such a leftist nation.

Maybe because they tax so much?  And they have a really lavish welfare system.  Really lavish.  National healthcare.  National pension.  National telephone company.  National power company.  Etc.  Definitely not my type of right-wing.  Maybe some crazy bizarre Europen right-wing, but not real right-wing.

France is slated to go bankrupt in 2006 because of its elaborate social welfare system.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

I have no clue why Republicans think France is such a leftist nation.

Maybe because they tax so much?  And they have a really lavish welfare system.  Really lavish.  National healthcare.  National pension.  National telephone company.  National power company.  Etc.  Definitely not my type of right-wing.  Maybe some crazy bizarre Europen right-wing, but not real right-wing.

France is slated to go bankrupt in 2006 because of its elaborate social welfare system.

The word is "Pension system" NOT "Welfare system". Outside pensions, the French government's services are pretty mean for normal people.

[Richard]

I have no clue why Republicans think France is such a leftist nation.

Maybe because they tax so much?  And they have a really lavish welfare system.  Really lavish.  National healthcare.  National pension.  National telephone company.  National power company.  Etc.  Definitely not my type of right-wing.  Maybe some crazy bizarre Europen right-wing, but not real right-wing.

France is slated to go bankrupt in 2006 because of its elaborate social welfare system.

The word is "Pension system" NOT "Welfare system". Outside pensions, the French government's services are pretty mean for normal people.

Pension is welfare.  People receiving pension are people that are too lazy to work and think they're entitled to sit on their asses and get money.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Pension is welfare.  People receiving pension are people that are too lazy to work and think they're entitled to sit on their asses and get money.

I appear to be seeing things... have you just accused the elderly of being:

"too lazy to work and think they're entitled to sit on their asses and get money."

??

[Richard]

Pension is welfare.  People receiving pension are people that are too lazy to work and think they're entitled to sit on their asses and get money.

I appear to be seeing things... have you just accused the elderly of being:

"too lazy to work and think they're entitled to sit on their asses and get money."

??

Absoin'lutely.  If you're in good health, you should work.  There is no excuse, not even age, for not doing work in order to sustain yourself.  If you have enough money, more power to you.  If you don't, work.  Being a parasite and receiving stolen money from other people that actually worked for it is disgusting and criminal in my mind.

[J-Mann]

The word is "Pension system" NOT "Welfare system". Outside pensions, the French government's services are pretty mean for normal people.

I say social welfare system to include a whole slew of services, including health care and social security.  Their health care system isn't limited to only the elderly, so far as I know.

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Their health care system isn't limited to only the elderly, so far as I know.

True, but unlike most other healthcare systems it's geared towards affluent people in the Paris suburbs (as is everything in France).

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Pension is welfare.  People receiving pension are people that are too lazy to work and think they're entitled to sit on their asses and get money.

I appear to be seeing things... have you just accused the elderly of being:

"too lazy to work and think they're entitled to sit on their asses and get money."

??

Abso'lutely.  If you're in good health, you should work.  There is no excuse, not even age, for not doing work in order to sustain yourself.  If you have enough money, more power to you.  If you don't, work.  Being a parasite and receiving stolen money from other people that actually worked for it is disgusting and criminal in my mind.

You disgust me

[W in 2004]

Chirac is no conservative of my type.  He definitely is not a freedom conservative.  He is one of the tyrannical, socialist types of “conservatives.”  (Yeah Right!) 

[Richard]

You disgust me

I'm pleased I do.  Working is such a foreign concept for Democrats no wonder unemployed people vote Democrat.  It is just awful that one must work in order to live, eh?

[Gabu]

You disgust me

I'm pleased I do.  Working is such a foreign concept for Democrats no wonder unemployed people vote Democrat.  It is just awful that one must work in order to live, eh?

I just did a tally of all of the responses.  Here's the results as far as I can tell:

# of working Democrats: 8
# of working Republicans: 7
# of unemployed Democrats: 7
...who are currently in school: 6
# of unemployed Republicans: 7
...who are currently in school: 7

I counted myself as employed even though I don't get paid because I have a volunteer job that I work at for basically most of my weekends.

Wow, yeah, Democrats sure are all unemployed slackers.

[Richard]

You disgust me

I'm pleased I do.  Working is such a foreign concept for Democrats no wonder unemployed people vote Democrat.  It is just awful that one must work in order to live, eh?

I just did a tally of all of the responses.  Here's the results as far as I can tell:

# of working Democrats: 8
# of working Republicans: 7
# of unemployed Democrats: 7
...who are currently in school: 6
# of unemployed Republicans: 7
...who are currently in school: 7

I counted myself as employed even though I don't get paid because I have a volunteer job that I work at for basically most of my weekends.

Wow, yeah, Democrats sure are all unemployed slackers.

The 300 million non-forum goers are included in my summary.

[Gabu]

You disgust me

I'm pleased I do.  Working is such a foreign concept for Democrats no wonder unemployed people vote Democrat.  It is just awful that one must work in order to live, eh?

I just did a tally of all of the responses.  Here's the results as far as I can tell:

# of working Democrats: 8
# of working Republicans: 7
# of unemployed Democrats: 7
...who are currently in school: 6
# of unemployed Republicans: 7
...who are currently in school: 7

I counted myself as employed even though I don't get paid because I have a volunteer job that I work at for basically most of my weekends.

Wow, yeah, Democrats sure are all unemployed slackers.

The 300 million non-forum goers are included in my summary.

I always love it when people blatantly ignore evidence that contradicts a stereotype and instead value the stereotype higher.  Works real well for discussions.

[Gabu]

Okay, since all people who vote Democratic are lazy, unemployed slobs, surely CNN's exit polls will show that, right?

Do you work full time?

Yes (60%) - Bush 53% Kerry 45%
No (40%) - Bush 51% Kerry 49%

Oops!  Nope, sorry, try again!

[Richard]

Okay, since all people who vote Democratic are lazy, unemployed slobs, surely CNN's exit polls will show that, right?

Do you work full time?

Yes (60%) - Bush 53% Kerry 45%
No (40%) - Bush 51% Kerry 49%

Oops!  Nope, sorry, try again!

The exit polls also showed Kerry winning.  Dude, I will have a degree in statistics.  Try again.

[Alcon]

Okay, since all people who vote Democratic are lazy, unemployed slobs, surely CNN's exit polls will show that, right?

Do you work full time?

Yes (60%) - Bush 53% Kerry 45%
No (40%) - Bush 51% Kerry 49%

Oops!  Nope, sorry, try again!

The exit polls also showed Kerry winning.  Dude, I will have a degree in statistics.  Try again.

Yeah. Kerry must have gotten a lot of votes from those who neither do not or do work full time, then.

[Richard]

That made no sense whatsoever.

[Gabu]

Okay, since all people who vote Democratic are lazy, unemployed slobs, surely CNN's exit polls will show that, right?

Do you work full time?

Yes (60%) - Bush 53% Kerry 45%
No (40%) - Bush 51% Kerry 49%

Oops!  Nope, sorry, try again!

The exit polls also showed Kerry winning.  Dude, I will have a degree in statistics.  Try again.

Bush won both of the above demographics.  I'm not exactly sure what your point is.  Should more of the "No" voters have gone to Kerry?  Surely if the exit polls were tilted in Kerry's favor, that would just mean that Bush would get a higher percentage in either or both of those two categories.

What evidence exactly will you listen to?  Evidence that supports your hypothesis?  You've rejected both polling and a spot check.  Do you just "know" that all Democrats are lazy, unemployed people, and did you pick that up through osmosis or something?

[Alcon]

That made no sense whatsoever.

You are claiming that Kerry won an exit poll where Bush won both among those who do work full time and those who don't. That would be quite an accomplishment - statistically, of course.

[Richard]

Bush won both of the above demographics.  I'm not exactly sure what your point is.  Should more of the "No" voters have gone to Kerry?  Surely if the exit polls were tilted in Kerry's favor, that would just mean that Bush would get a higher percentage in either or both of those two categories.

I'm questioning the accuracy of your numbers.  You're trying to quite a statistic, when the underlying methodology is flawed.  You cannot perform any reason or logic on such an experiment or trial.

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I'm rejecting exit polling numbers.  The manner in which they were conducted is fundamentally flawed, and any mathematician can tell you that.  No one that voted in advance were polled, for example.  And we can raise issues over the time of day too.  And the locations, because most exit polls were performed in the cities.  So, don't quote them to me please.  They're biased, for or against me, I don't care, but they cannot be used to make any real claim.

[Gabu]

Okay, answer this then: how do you know that all Democrats are lazy, unemployed people if you don't trust exit polls?

[A18]

Not all Democrats. A lot of poor people in cities vote Democrat, though.