Which of the following elections do you think were "stolen"?
       |           

Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?
April 30, 2024, 11:17:52 PM
News: Election Simulator 2.0 Released. Senate/Gubernatorial maps, proportional electoral votes, and more - Read more

  Talk Elections
  General Politics
  U.S. General Discussion (Moderators: The Dowager Mod, Chancellor Tanterterg)
  Which of the following elections do you think were "stolen"?
« previous next »
Pages: [1]
Poll
Question: Vote for each election where you think the winning candidate's victory was illegitimate.
#1
Florida Presidential Election, 2000
 
#2
Ohio Presidential Election, 2004
 
#3
Minnesota Senate Election, 2008
 
#4
South Dakota Senate Election, 2002
 
#5
Washington Gubernatorial Election, 2002
 
#6
Alabama Gubernatorial Election, 2002
 
#7
New Hampshire Dem. Presidential Primary, 2008
 
#8
New Mexico Dem. Presidential Primary, 2008
 
#9
None of the above
 
Show Pie Chart
Partisan results

Total Voters: 32

Calculate results by number of options selected
Author Topic: Which of the following elections do you think were "stolen"?  (Read 1417 times)
Bacon King
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 18,833
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.63, S: -9.49

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« on: November 19, 2011, 03:27:39 PM »

These are all the elections since 2000 where I can remember someone accusing the winning side of stealing it. What do you think?

Also, feel free to mention any other recent elections that are considered questionable by someone.
Logged
opebo
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 47,009


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2011, 03:41:28 PM »

We should always take the position that any narrow GOP win is stolen. 
Logged
NVGonzalez
antwnzrr
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,687
Mexico


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2011, 04:07:39 PM »

Florida 2000.
Logged
Username MechaRFK
RFK
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 1,270
Canada


Political Matrix
E: -5.16, S: -7.30

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2011, 04:51:16 PM »

Logged
Wonkish1
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,203


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2011, 05:49:02 PM »

Well considering the judge in Washington basically admitted that it was stolen, but that he wasn't going to order a re-vote I think that would should be the biggest yes on this thread.

P.S. Washington was stolen for the exact reason why the GOP resisted hand counting in Florida. And the same happened in Minnesota.


But nobody would worry about these recount problems if every precinct had both a computer and a printed card and scanner system.

You pick your choices on a screen. It prints a card similar to those bubble sheets you remember from school. You look at the card to make sure its right and then feed into a scanner. When both systems report the same number(which they will) you can't argue with the machine results.
Logged
Franzl
Atlas Star
*****
Posts: 22,254
Germany


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2011, 06:02:33 PM »

Florida 2000: The rightful winner didn't become President. Whether through error or cheating...whatever.

Alabama 2002: Pretty obvious.

NM 2008: Just because it's New Mexico.
Logged
Oakvale
oakvale
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 11,827
Ukraine
Political Matrix
E: -0.77, S: -4.00

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2011, 06:08:18 PM »

Florida, 2000, and the Alabama gubernatorial election in 2002. Don't buy any of the others, really.
Logged
FloridaRepublican
justrhyno
Jr. Member
***
Posts: 455
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2011, 06:08:40 PM »

None of the above, because I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
Logged
Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon
htmldon
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,983
United States


Political Matrix
E: 1.03, S: -2.26

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2011, 06:35:18 PM »

None of the above, because I'm not a conspiracy theorist.
Logged
Wonkish1
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,203


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2011, 06:50:48 PM »

None of the above, because I'm not a conspiracy theorist.

I would generally be more of this type of person myself. But I also know that some very marginal shenanigans go on with these types of situations. Washington governor's race was pretty blatantly obvious to people watching the recounts and court proceedings. But as the judge pointed out, "What do you want me to do the provisional's got mixed in with the regular ballots we can't reseparate them out now."

The system isn't 100% perfect, but its pretty damn close.
Logged
Filuwaúrdjan
Realpolitik
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 67,727
United Kingdom


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #10 on: November 19, 2011, 08:14:44 PM »

Florida 2000: The rightful winner didn't become President. Whether through error or cheating...whatever.

Alabama 2002: Pretty obvious.

NM 2008: Just because it's New Mexico.

These are decent answers. I tend to assume that most tight elections in New Mexico were stolen, especially when the PRI wins.
Logged
Smash255
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 15,454


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2011, 12:44:10 AM »

Florida 2000, but not for the vote counting issues, but rather the voter scrub lists and how that mess was carried out.
Logged
Antonio the Sixth
Antonio V
Atlas Institution
*****
Posts: 58,191
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.87, S: -3.83

P P
Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2011, 04:24:04 AM »

Who claimed NH and NM primaries were stolen ?
Logged
Wonkish1
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,203


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2011, 04:39:24 AM »


Nobody hence the people that are voting for those 2 are crazy conspiracy theorists that will believe anything.
Logged
Mr. Morden
Atlas Legend
*****
Posts: 44,066
United States


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2011, 04:51:55 AM »

New Mexico 2008 Democratic caucus seemed kind of sketchy, but Washington 2008 GOP caucus was more obviously stolen:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=70234.0

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=70313.0
Logged
Wonkish1
Sr. Member
****
Posts: 2,203


Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2011, 05:12:43 AM »

New Mexico 2008 Democratic caucus seemed kind of sketchy, but Washington 2008 GOP caucus was more obviously stolen:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=70234.0

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=70313.0


What can I say King County, Washington might actually be one of the most 'cheatingest'(yes that may actually not be a word) places in the country. Almost as bad as Philly with its "street money"(a remnant leftover from ~1900 machine politics).

Rossi vs. Gregoire was pretty much just as blatant. King County "Oops we mixed in a few provisional ballots in with the regular ballots during the recount, sorry; guess there is nothing that can be done about that now". The judge threw out the case because it wasn't "intentional".
Logged
Bacon King
Atlas Politician
Atlas Icon
*****
Posts: 18,833
United States


Political Matrix
E: -7.63, S: -9.49

Show only this user's posts in this thread
« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2011, 05:41:38 AM »
« Edited: November 20, 2011, 05:44:53 AM by Bacon King, VP »

New Mexico 2008 Democratic caucus seemed kind of sketchy, but Washington 2008 GOP caucus was more obviously stolen:

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=70234.0

https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=70313.0


Oh yeah! Totally forgot about that one.


Outside of this forum, I don't know if anyone else noticed how sketchy NM was being with releasing their results. You can look back on the 2008 board and see who was claiming it, probably, if you're interested.

There was a bit of a ruckus after the New Hampshire primary, though. The blogosphere made a big deal about how NH towns with paper ballots voted for Obama, while towns with Diebold machines voted for Hillary. There was enough of a controversy that Dennis Kucinich decided to spend the last bit of his campaign cash on paying for the first half of a statewide recount.
Logged
Pages: [1]  
« previous next »
Jump to:  


Login with username, password and session length

Terms of Service - DMCA Agent and Policy - Privacy Policy and Cookies

Powered by SMF 1.1.21 | SMF © 2015, Simple Machines

Page created in 0.049 seconds with 14 queries.